Dad didn't pass PA background check

[Geronimo45]

"a guy here in Lancaster who has the same name and is a slug"
The Brian Williams on TV?

IIRC, the NICS folk say you are allowed to buy the gun, denied the gun, or delayed. Delayed doesn't mean you're a criminal. There's a poster here - Lawdog, methinks - he's a LEO, he's in TX, and NICS regularly delayed him.

I'm too charming, witty, and urbane to have trouble passing the NICS test.

Did your dad put his SS# on the form?

If the thing ends up being denied, definitely make a call to whoever runs the NICS in your state.

 

[crebralfix]

FTF transfer of rifles in PA does not require an FFL. both parties must be PA residents, and legally allowed to own a rifle.

FTF transfer of handguns requires FFL.

I thought PA was sort of a free state. I guess not.

 

[Stainless Chili]

If you buy a firearm for someone other than yourself, that is called a STRAW BUY. That is highly illegal in Pennsylvania.

Isn't it highly illegal everywhere?

Long guns are fine for PPTs. One would want to make sure the receiver has a valid state-issued ID.

Handguns are by FFL.

C&R is like C&R most other places.

 

[Brian Williams]

Not with a bunch of Democrats and the Thug we have for a Governor. Also the State Police have been told to stop using the Handgun transfer form as it is "Illegal" but it has not been challenged or struck down in court.


Also to purchase a gun, any gun for someone else(straw purchase) is a Federal crime, unless it is as a gift. example if I were to buy a handgun and gift it to my son for his birthday, it would be ok providing he can legally own a gun.

 

[Sistema1927]

I am sure that someone will come along soon to tell you that this un-Constitutional infringement is the proper price to pay to keep criminals from obtaining firearms.

Gun control, its all about control.

 

[230RN]

jnojr said,

CBI said they would put a note on my file to avoid this mixup in the future.

If you've never been convicted ofa crime, why is there a "file" on you?!?!

It's not really a "file" in the sense that it's a dossier documenting your every activity and pizza preferences.

It's just a folder which contains the correspendence which was necessary to get the matter cleared up. Just so they can re-reference it conveniently.

Works to your benefit. Friend of mine brings a copy of his CBI "repeal of denial" letter with him ('twas a mistake in the records) every time he buys a gun, hands it to the dealer with his "4473" so the dealer can tell the CBI the case number involved. Takes an extra five-ten minutes for them to fetch the information and OK the deal.

 

[MartinBrody]

I don't think having a CCW permit would have helped in this situation. I have gone to buy a gun when the system was down and it didn't matter if I had a permit or not I still had to wait for the background check. They do this because you may have gotten a conviction sometime during the 5 years since you got your permit.
Perhaps they were thinking that if he had a permit, any cause for delay would have been investigated by the Sheriff's dept. and cleared up on your record so it wouldn't cause a delay when a request is put in. I am not sure if this is the case or not.
It used to be when PA had a waiting period that if you had your permit you didn't have to wait, but since instacheck there is no wait.

 

[The Rifleman]

Today 09:38 PM
Bill_G

FTF transfer of rifles in PA does not require an FFL. both parties must be PA residents, and legally allowed to own a rifle.

FTF transfer of handguns requires FFL.


Ok Bill, now that you are using Initials instead of words.. I will tell them what I think you are calling a FTF is. A (FTF) is Face To Face, and you are wrong..

Reason being that the state of Pennsylvania wants the revenue generated from gun sales. They also want to curb the sale of black market guns to outlaws that are not allowed Legally to purchase guns over the counter at a Gun Shop because they cannot pass the "Criminal Background Check". Or (CBC) - if that is how you want to put it.

Here is a post from another gun forum that will explain more. I wouldn't want you to mis inform others and get them in trouble.

http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=3476&start=15

 

[Geronimo45]

"it didn't matter if I had a permit or not I still had to wait for the background check."
The PA permit doesn't substitute for a NICS check?

 

[mountainclmbr]

Over the last 8 years or so, this has happened to me about 30% of the time. Which begs the question, why did it not happen the other 70%? Most times the delay was for just under 1 week until the approval came through. Once I got denied, had to challenge, and won. I have no arrests or criminal record, but have a common name. The Clinton Check was made to check "names" as it would eliminate the most sales. If the government checker is an "anti" they will stop at the name check. If they are honest they will check SSN# if provided (I always did). This whole check thing is full of corruption and all involved need to be placed in jail with the lesser crooks, like rapists and murderers.

Buy private if it can be done without a BG check in your state.

 

[dixierifleman]

happened to me at a walmart. they even said theyd hold the rifle and didnt. went back the next week and they didnt have the rifle, but i passed the BG check. well it ended with me not buying anything from them, and the assistant manager gettin fired. ill never go to that one again.

 

[Myself]

Face to face transfers of long guns are legal in Pa without an FFL being involved. Handguns must be trandfered thru a FFL.

Bill G is correct.

The PA permit doesn't substitute for a NICS check?

No in Pa even if you have a carry permit you must still go thru the PICS check on a handgun purchase.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Guy I Work With

I work with a guy who's an army vet, had top secret clearance, been through basic police traning.

Three times out of three they've made him wait.

He's applied to the FBI for a special bit of paper that gets around this. I disremember what it's called.

Another guy I work with has this happen to him about one in three times.

I've never had a problem.

Great mysteries in the system.

 

[mustang_gt_350]

walmart sucks

i got my 10/22 from walmart, The lady(assistant man.) wouldnt let me put Rd. for road on my form (exactly how it was on my drivers lic. she was the one that said "write it as it is on your drivers license) and when she saw that i did that and said it was wrong I wanted to put 1 line through it and put my initials but that wasnt what she wanted... but that is SOP at the lab i work at if we ever have a dispute over our records, that is the legal and court approved way of changing the value on a document. So it took me 3 forms to get it filled out the "right way". i will never buy a firearm from walmart again.

 

[dixierifleman]

you have to write spell out all words in every form you fill out. thats not just a walmart thing.

 

[mustang_gt_350]

i know that now, this was a long time ago.

1. she should not have told me to fill it out EXACTLY how it was on my license.
2. she had the attitude of why are you here bothering me and wanting to buy a rifle. maybe it was a bad day for her, i dont know but not being so snotty about how she said things could have been nice.

Also, A friend purchased an AR just a few weeks before that at the local gun shop and they had no problem with him writing Rd. for road.

 

[Bill_G]

Quote: Ok Bill, now that you are using Initials instead of words.. I will tell them what I think you are calling a FTF is. A (FTF) is Face To Face, and you are wrong..

Reason being that the state of Pennsylvania wants the revenue generated from gun sales. They also want to curb the sale of black market guns to outlaws that are not allowed Legally to purchase guns over the counter at a Gun Shop because they cannot pass the "Criminal Background Check". Or (CBC) - if that is how you want to put it
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If i'm wrong, i apologize......BUT..... i still think that i am right.

anyone else have some input on FTF long guns in PA??

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Wal*Mart Regional Culture

I had a manager like that when I got my 10/22 stainless (22" bbl) at WM.

She had transferred in from back East somewhere.

The local guy went over the forms with me, got it all sorted out, called it in, got the okay, wrote up the receipt, and stopped.

He: Need anything else? Ammo? Cleaning kit? Targets?
She: You can't sell him ammo on the same invoice!
He: Yes, you can, we do it all the time.
She: Well, where I was back in [Bulgravia], we couldn't do that!
He: In Nevada it's not a problem.
She: But we never . . .
He: It'll be fine. Sir? Need anything else.​

I got the ammo and finished the transaction.

She (since she was the most senior manager present) escorted me all the way to my car, and placed the rifle in the car herself.

Oh, well. Some people's kids. You'd think when they transfer regions that they'd try to learn something about the local culture and regulations.

Welcome to the culture of CYA.

My background check? Ten minutes on hold, 45 seconds to get approval.

 

[tanksoldier]

I'm pretty sure you're incorrect. PA is a "shall issue" state, which means the govt has to show why you SHOULDN'T get a permit. You don't need a reason, and frankly shouldn't need a reason, beyond "I want one". It's not about being Rambo, it's about exercising your rights and having the ability to defend your life and the lifes of others from those who prey upon the weak.

PPP - Personal Protection Permits - also known as Conceled Weapons Permit are issued by the County Sheriff after they do a background check on you.
They take your picture and also $20 - $25 for 4 or 5 years.
You have to have a reason to get one - say if you are a buisnessman and carry large sums of money. If your job requires that you carry a firearm etc.. Not just because you have delusions of being Rambo or the Terminator.

Straw buys are illegal, true. However, giving a firearm as a gift is not illegal, neither is selling one for $1. I'm pretty sure PA still allows FTF transfers without an FFL. Most states do.

If you buy a firearm for someone other than yourself, that is called a STRAW BUY. That is highly illegal in Pennsylvania. You could be arrested even for just trying to do something like that.

Even if you DO transfer a private sale thru a FFL, the state gets no revenue from the sale... the FFL isn't selling the gun the private person is selling, the FFL just charges the transfer fee. Furthermore, if PA is requiring the tranfer thru FFLs to prevent sales to inelligible individuals, that's just stupid. Someone who can't buy the gun legally will just buy it privately as before. If owning the gun is illegal and they're willing to break that law they aren't going to turn around and say "well, but I have to go to an FFL because that's the law..."

Reason being that the state of Pennsylvania wants the revenue generated from gun sales. They also want to curb the sale of black market guns to outlaws that are not allowed Legally to purchase guns over the counter at a Gun Shop because they cannot pass the "Criminal Background Check". Or (CBC) - if that is how you want to put it.

 

[Ala Dan]

On federal form 4473 NO abbreviations are allowed, except for
a reconized postal abbreviation; such as your state of residence.
In my case, that would be (AL) for Alabama.

 

[Rumble]

Bill_G:

The administrative rules & regs, from the state police (www.psp.state.pa.us/psp/lib/psp/Administrative_Regulations_pdf.pdf), only specifically addresses the private transfer of handguns--in such a situation, the transfer must occur at a licensed dealer and include a background check. There's no discussion of the private sale of long guns, and no indication that a background check is required.

Edit: granted, I've been wrong once or twice in my life , so this could have been revised. The date on this document is 2001.

 

[Brian Williams]

In Pennsylvania

Face to Face rifle transfers in PA can be done by anyone from PA to anyone from PA anywhere as long as the rifle, the seller and the buyer are legal.

Face to Face handgun transfers in PA, Must be done at an FFL and the Buyer must pass PICS/NICS and fill out the PA State Police record of Handgun transfer. Also the handgun and the seller must be legal. No immediate check of the handgun serial number is done, it might be done later.

Purchase of a firearm from a dealer, You must be approved by the PICS/NICS, fill out form 4473(exactly) and in the case of a handgun purchase, you must fill out the PA State Police record of Handgun transfer.

A PA License to Carry Firearms is not a free pass on PICS, it is very easy to get one just visit the local Sherrif and fill out the paperwork, put in Self-Defense for the reason and Pay the required fees, $20 IIRC. The reason for Self-Defense, is if you put hunting, you can only carry while hunting, if you put in Target shooting, you can "legally" only carry to and from a range.



Closed thread, because too many little mistruths, Sorry about your Dad Cheesy, he should be able to get this cleared up in a few days, if not then follow up through the channels.