DAO Only Hammer-fired Pistol other than Sig P250??

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Wondering if there are any other hammer-fired DAO pistol other than the Sig p250.

It doesn't have to be "cocked" to shoot like the S&W DAOs do (I have a 3953, 6946, and 4046 and all have to have the hammer back to fire and THAT ain't no way to carry as it negates the long and somewhat heavier double action revolver-like pull); and it isn't a DA/SA striker-fired pistol ala the Walther P99 (which will shoot DAO [then SA in follow up shots] or SA if you pull back on the slide and that ain't safe to carry either); and it isn't a striker fired gun.

I really like my 250s -- have them in .22LR, 9mm and .40 (switching around slides and mags off of a single fire control mechanism) but I'm curious if there are any other 250 like guns out there . (Obviously revolvers are just that -- double action or single if you pull back on the hammer -- but I'm thinking pistols here.)

I can put a 3913 slide with a manual safety atop the 3953 frame and that gives me a mechanical safety as well as the long double action pull inherent in the gun but curiosity has driven me to ask the question here.
 
Pretty sure that S&W offered a number of their pistols in DAO back before striker guns became popular. As I recall the H&K USP had a DAO option before they developed their LEM.
 
Yes, I remember some S&W Gen3 pistols were available in the DAO configuration. Also the SIG-Sauer Pro 2340 and 2009 could be converted to a DAO trigger and I see one of them in a official SIG-Sauer catalogue back then. So were the Heckler & Koch P2000 and P30 (at least theoretically because I can't remember seeing one of these).
The Grand Power made a version of the K100 with a decocker/safety lever that in the down position made the pistol to shoot DAO.
There are some striker fired pistols with full DAO action like the Walther P99 DAO and the CZ 100 but are out of the OP initial question.
 
I believe most of the major makers had DAO auto models available for the agencies that wanted them. Dont remember many geared towards the civilian market though. The P250 being the oddball there.

The P250's triggers are a bit different than most of the other DAO autos Ive shot. Its trigger is more like a revolver DA trigger, where the others are more like the DA trigger on a DA auto. Both are fine too, but the P250's is "different".

I had a SIG P245 that was a police trade in that had been factory converted to a DAO trigger (not a DAK). It was about perfect for that sort of trigger and a great shooter too.

Once you get the DA triggers down, they are just as easy to shoot well with as the SA triggers and for me, my DAO groups are usually tighter than my SA groups, especially with the heavier recoiling guns.

Safety wise, I really don't see that one type is any safer than another. Its still up to you to be competent and proficient with your gun, and its safe handling. Constant handling, dry and live fire instill and reinforce that too.
 
"I believe most of the major makers had DAO auto models available for the agencies that wanted them." TS

What he said. I can't think of any exclusively DAO's off the top of my head, but there were runs of Rugers or Smiths or whatever for departments that ordered them.

For instance, I have a 32acp DAO Taurus that was an overseas LE pistol. It doesn't have a hammer, but it's an example of the idea. Had a 40 caliber Beretta like that too, but sold it to a friend who needed it.

If you like pistols like that, keep an eye on GB. That isn't a popular trigger setup, and some of them go for next to nothing. My winning bid on the Beretta was under $200.

Taurus Model PT132

Taurus Model PT132

 
Sig P290RS; why the trigger was 50% heavier than the P250's remains a mystery unless Sig thought the pistol would be pocket carried without a holster.
 
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it is not in production now but the Kel-Tec P-11 was hammer fired DAO. It had a shrouded hammer. If you want a smooth refined trigger pull it may not be the gun for you but it worked. I carried it for a long time due to its small size & light weight.
 
Mike J said:
it is not in production now but the Kel-Tec P-11 was hammer fired DAO. It had a shrouded hammer. If you want a smooth refined trigger pull it may not be the gun for you but it worked. I carried it for a long time due to its small size & light weight.
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Just know that the SCCY CPX-9 is a clone of the P-11 and in production NOW.
I have a couple and they have been rock solid for me and only $179 when I bought them.
I prefer DAO guns for the safety aspects utilized in practice.
Most have no safety; no de-cocking lever and I can thumb the hammer while re-holstering during practice drills.

My short list of this type of gun:
Sig P250
Sig P239 DAO or DAK
HK P30SK LEM
SCCY CPX-9

Shooters today will whine about the trigger on those guns but anyone with a revolver background will easily adapt.
There are other guns that don't quite fit the DAO category like Kahrs, but are damn close.
 
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Tilos said:
Just know that the SCCY CPX-9 is a clone of the P-11 and in production NOW.
I have a couple and they have been rock solid for me and only $179 when I bought them.
I prefer DAO guns for the safety aspects utilized in practice.
Most have no safety; no de-cocking lever and I can thumb the hammer while re-holstering during practice drills.

My short list of this type of gun:
Sig P250
Sig P239 DAO or DAK
HK P30SK LEM
SCCY CPX-9

Shooters today will whine about the trigger on those guns but anyone with a revolver background will easily adapt.
There are other guns that don't quite fit the DAO category like Kahrs, but are damn close.
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The bad thing about the trigger of the P-11 I had wasn't the weight or length of pull. It was that it was the opposite of smooth. I know a lot of people would do some polishing & smooth them up. I just learned to shoot it as it was. It was about as accurate for me as anything else once I got used to the trigger.
The ironic thing is now everyone loves the double stack micro 9's. The P-11 was in a sense the predecessor of those guns. I currently carry a Ruger Max-9 that is in a sense an illegitimate offspring of the Kel-Tec. Ruger called the Kel-Tec clone the LC9. Then they decided to do a striker version the LC9s, then the economy version the EC9, then they turned it into a double stack-the Max-9.
A female relative has the Sccy. Shortly after she got it we took a class together. The little pistol had some feed issues initially. One of the instructors lubed it & it ran like a champ. I guess it was my fault for thinking her husband would clean & lube it before she brought it to the class. I've had a DA/SA jones lately but haven't acted on it. Life has been getting in the way.
 
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Mike J said:
The bad thing about the trigger of the P-11 I had wasn't the weight or length of pull. It was that it was the opposite of smooth. I know a lot of people would do some polishing & smooth them up. I just learned to shoot it as it was. It was about as accurate for me as anything else once I got used to the trigger.
The ironic thing is now everyone loves the double stack micro 9's. The P-11 was in a sense the predecessor of those guns. I currently carry a Ruger Max-9 that is in a sense an illegitimate offspring of the Kel-Tec. Ruger called the Kel-Tec clone the LC9. Then they decided to do a striker version the LC9, then the economy version the EC9, then they turned it into a double stack-the Max-9.
A female relative has the Sccy. Shortly after she got it we took a class together. The little pistol had some feed issues initially. One of the instructors lubed it & it ran like a champ. I guess it was my fault for thinking her husband would clean & lube it before she brought it to the class. I've had a DA/SA jones lately but haven't acted on it. Life has been getting in the way.
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Yeh, Galloway makes a short stroke trigger/spring kit for the SCCY but has been "out of stock" for some time and I emailed about it but they have no remakes in their schedule...
gallowayprecision.com

Dark Sky Short Stroke Trigger Kit for SCCY CPX-1 GEN 3 and CPX-2 GEN 3 Pistols

*** For GEN 3 pistols only ***Options:
gallowayprecision.com gallowayprecision.com
I have swapped out the hammer spring but forgotten where I got it (MCarbo?).

As recently as today, I have acquired Sig P239 and look forward to shooting it soon.
It's interesting to see people looking around for something that's NOT another striker fired clone.
jmo,
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NIGHTLORD40K said:
Many micro-compacts are this way. Pico, LCP, Bodyguard, Seecamp etc. A hammer can take up less real estate inside some tiny guns than a striker.
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In the shop, long BodyGuard trigger was a little off-putting, but I'm an old revo guy, and I've gotten used to it. It is smooth, if longish. It's hard to argue with such a deliberate trigger, from a safety standpoint.
Moon
 
5-SHOTS said:
So were the Heckler & Koch P2000 and P30 (at least theoretically because I can't remember seeing one of these).
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The H&K LEM trigger is a hammered fired gun but the main spring is partially cocked like many striker fired pistol. The trigger cocks the hammer when pulling the trigger.

I have a P30SK with the LEM trigger. If I remember correctly, you can get a second chance pull on the trigger if the first pull does not ignite the round but the trigger pull is akin to a conventional DA trigger pull.

I like a DA/SA semi-auto but I’m warming to the LEM trigger vs a conventional striker fired gun.

PS, I have a P30SK-V3 trigger, the DA/SA version.
 
There were some Ruger P series made as DAO guns. I believe that the H&K USP could be had in DAO. Finding one of those could be difficult. I haven't been inside one in awhile, but it seems to me it might be possible to modify a Beretta 92 to a DAO configuration without too much difficulty.
 
Sphinx AT-380 (unfortunately, only the senseless versions with thumb safety were imported into the U.S.)
 
Not semi-autos, but I have a S&W Model 642, Model 442, Model 437, and a Model 638, all machined for moon clips. The 642 and 442 are DAO only. The 437 is an easy SA trigger and the 638 can be fired SA but cocking is difficult.

These are great DAO revolvers and with the moon clip machining, they provide rapid reloads.

They provide an alternate to basic semi-auto clip reloading.
 
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