DAWN OF THE DEAD--SPOILERS!!!

[azrael]

OK to all of you horror fans...


BEFORE I was the most talented and best looking holster maker from N.C. (or at least that lives in Staley ) I was a fan of horror movies...My further .02 peso's on Dawn of the Dead and the WHY of zombies...


Zombies, just ARE...that is there sole reason...THEY ARE JUST THERE!!!

There is no REASON!!!
they just ARE!!!!!

Dont worry how they got there....KILL THEM!!!

And I will say it since noone else has....IF YOU THINK THAT THE "REMAKE" IS BETTER THAN THE ORIGINOL...ALL I CAN SAY IS WE MUST HAVE BEEN WATCHING A DIFFERENT MOVIE...

Was Dawn 2k4 any good?? yup sure was

Was it better in some places than the original?? yup sure was

Was it better overall?? NOT HARDLY!!!!

again my .02 cents

OHHH yea...BUBBA HO-TEP is due out on DVD on MAY 25th!!!! reserve your copy today!!!! I know I sure am

 

[Crom]

If you are interested in the whole scientific explanation for the Zombies, check out Romero's 1985 "Day Of The Dead." It was the final movie of his "Dead" trilogy and, according to a Romero interview, his favorite.

It's about a group of survivors who stumble upon an underground government research facility manned by a group of soldiers and several scientists trying to develop a way to defeat the Zombies. They have captured a couple of Zombies and are studying them for research purposes. Not alot of detail, but it does explain a little about the Zombies.
According to this movie, the Zombie phenomenon is world-wide.

Personally, I thought this movie (1985's Day Of The Dead) was the worst of Romero's three. The chick doctor in "Day Of The Dead", Sarah, (played by Lori Cadrille) is pretty hot though, and well worth the rental fee alone.

It is interesting that Romero has stated that Night, Dawn and Day are not supposed to be genre horror movies, according to him, the public and studios have deemed them that. He intended the movies to focus on the human reaction to an extreme crisis.

The current Dawn Of The Dead was shot in Canada. I am not sure about Canadian gun laws, but, and I am just guessing here, that could be why there were no hi-cap, pistol gripped, semi-autos in the movie.

The final scenes were shot on Catalina Island, off the coast of California.

 

[azrael]

Crom,
Day will hopefully not be the last one...Romero has stated that he wanted to do one more...Prolly gonna be called Dead reconing (sp?) or twilight of the dead....

I agree that Day was the weakest of the 3...

one of the good things about the "remake" is that MAYBE Romero will finally get the funding that he needs to do the final movie the right way...


OHHH yea...Day seems rushed for a reason...They ran out of money with like a month of filming left to do so he had to improvise the ending scenes...Decent flick though IMHO

yea I own all 3 of them including the '90 remake by F/X GOD Tom Savini

 

[Deadman]

I haven't seen Night, but I have seen Dawn and Day just recently for the first time (thanks AnchorBay). I actually prefer Day compared to Dawn.
Despite the general preference most have for Dawn, I was left with mixed feelings.

It's about a group of survivors who stumble upon an underground government research facility manned by a group of soldiers and several scientists

Unless you're refering to the original script, Day is only about the science and military team sent to the research facility to solve the problem.

They ran out of money with like a month of filming left to do so he had to improvise the ending scenes

I'm not so sure Romero's revision of the Day script is such a bad thing, I finished reading the original script today and it seemed to farcical and over the top.

As for the Dawn remake, I have to wait until August 19th.

 

[modifiedbrowning]

I already posted this in the closed down thread but I'll try again if anyone is still reading this thread. When they go into the gunshop after the dumb girl looking for the dog, they show a pistol on the floor. I just saw the movie for the second time(because I walked out at the beginning of the credits the first time)and to my eyes it is most certainly an HK. Looked like a P2000, but might be a USPc. Someone on the other thread(I believe it was Sundance) said it was a Springfield XD. I don't agree. Anyone else have an opinion?

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

I remember the scene, and at the time I thought it was a Glock.

 

[Paco]

What it was was a trap! While you're spending time trying to discern what type of gun it is and its usefullness, the zombies are getting that much closer! By the time you realize that they're on you you'll try to turn the unknown pistol on them:

a) you pull the trigger, and you hear the loudest sound on the battlefield: CLICK!

b)you pull the trigger and find that it's a 9mm and not a .357mag and thus you get et due to having an INFERIOR caliber since the bullets bounce off the zombie's skulls...

c)You pull the trigger and find that you have the first fully functioning 9mm sized mini grenade launcher!!!- and you proceed to clear house and become the next MABU warlord.

d) you curl up on the floor, whimper once before the zombies use the ubiquitious 9mm as a roast spit, sticking it where it wasn't meant to go and YOU GET ET...

e) all of the above!!!

-paco

 

[gunsmith]

hungry

I would not have sent the dog over,gee whiz! There in a mall with those cool toy cars/trucks with remote controls they could have sent over a bunch of food and he could have sent over ammo.
or they could have put small propane tanks on the cars and had Andy blow them up with one well placed shot.

A motorcycle rider in a good leather racing suit and helmet/gloves could probably have hand delivered him a pizza.

The Island was Catalina Island which is off the So Cal coast...
I would have voted for re-enforcing doors and such and stayed put untill they starved.
better then 28days in my opinion,definetly made me think I am low on ammo less then 1000rounds, oh well gun show in may,hopefully no Zombie infestation before then.

Oh yeah,the way the girl turns off the news in the begining,my wife does the same thing,hates the news unless it's "Entertainment tonite"

I will have to get her to see this movie so she can see the error of her ways...

 

[David4516]

I think I'd take an M1 Carbine (low recoil but still .30 cal) and lots of mags. For a sidearm I'd stick with my Makarov (it's super-reliable). I'd also like to have my Beretta Jetfire, not for shooting zombies, but for shooting myself if I run outta ammo for the other guns

 

[SteveS]

Nightcrawler, I thought your critique was right on the mark. That scene with the zombie baby was messed up. I also prefer some type of "happy" ending or, at least an un-sure ending. I know that life isn't always happy. I made the same complaint after reading some James Joyce story in an Irish Lit class and the professor blasted me for it.

Well, now that I am no longer in college, paying bills, taking care of a family, etc., I want my entertainment to be not at all like the real world. I want at least some of the people to survive.

Anyway, I thought the movie was still ok, but I didn't like it as much as Resident Evil, or even 28 days. Living in MI, the volcanic island idea was annoying. Why didn't they film it in WI, or MI? They filmed some cheesy zombie movie in the UP in the early 90's. Does anyone remember what it was called?

 

[pwrtool45]

...or even 28 days

While I'm not the *biggest* Sandra Bullok fan, I wouldn't classify that was a zombie flick. It did have its moments....

...oh you meant "28 days later."


It's funny. Laugh, dammit!


btw, really looking forward to RE: Apocalypse. I thought the first was one, in fact, a pretty good zombie flick. I enjoyed it.

 

[pittspilot]

1) It is not neccesary to drop the slide and then rack the slide. One or the other will suffice.

2) Wasn't there an aluminum baseball bat in that sports store? It would be better then a mallet.

3) Ditto on the .22. And the MREs

4) How did they clear out the indoor parking lot?

5) Why didn't that underground sewer go all the way to the gun store? And if that guy knew about it, why not dig to the tunnel?

6) How the hell do you roll the truck? What a horrible idea?

7) I think the boat was a sailboat, and I do believe that Wisconsin borders the Great Lakes, and from then the world, so I have no problem with that. However, provisioning a boat for a sail from Wisconsin to distant isles is a fairly long task. The most important thing is water.

8) Why did the guy lift up in the middle of that crowd of Zombies?

9) Molotov cocktails would have done the job of thinning the herd. They had that gas station.

10) How about rigging that chainsaw and another to the outside of the vehicle, possibly at knee height, and setting it going before you drive off. Maybe 12 of them placed at various heights. You gonna tell me that a hardware store only had one?

Other then that, it was a great movie.

 

[cool45auto]

7) It had a gasoline engine. During the credits one of the passengers says "We're out of gas." They probably used the sail after that if it had one.

8) If you meant to type "What" and I'm thinking about the same part you are it was the little propane tank they tossed into the crowd to shoot.

 

[pittspilot]

Sorry, that was ambigious.

I meant, why did the guy driving the front van iflt off the accelerator when he got in the middle of that crowd.

I would have kept the pedal to the metal.

 

[meathammer]

I enjoyed this flick. I liked it and the original for different reasons.

Things I observed:

The "A Team" trucks they put together would have been more effective if Mr. T had been driving the lead truck. (I love it when a plan comes together.)

They should have been fire-bombing the crap out of the huge crowd of zombies in the parking lot. Couldn't hurt, right?

Loved the scene where the truck full of survivors is backing up to the mall loading dock, running over zombies. I laughed.

I personally would have stayed at the mall until ALL resources were gone.

The cast members all seemed to have mastered making those high stress head shots.

All in all a very entertaining movie.

 

[Mulliga]

I enjoyed Dawn 2004 a lot, but my favorite zombie movie will always be the original "Dawn of the Dead."

When I showed my friend the original, though, he seemed unimpressed. Characterization, story, and social commentary, I guess, aren't high on his list of cinematic priorities...

 

[Beren]

One solid reason NOT to stay at the mall indefinitely:

More zombies were arriving daily, from what I could tell. Whether drawn by habit, the proximity of other zombies who knew food was inside, or some sixth sense directing them towards munchies, it seemed as though more zombies were there daily.

At some point, they would become so thick that any escape would be impossible except by air or underground - if the sewers extended far enough from the mall. And from there, it would be a foot race without the benefit of a motor vehicle.

I love zombies flicks, and zombie RPGs. If you really want to tick off a player, let them find out the hard way that "the movies" were wrong and that your zombies aren't stopped by head shots. (In one game, they were only /stunned/ by brain damage, unless most of the brain was damaged. Only sure way to stop them was to cut off their heads. 12-gauge shotguns worked well, too. Frustrating to find that out after you've left a few laying around behind you assuming they're really dead..)

Maybe I already mentioned this, but a good sound suppressor for your primary weapon is a must for any zombie survival situation. ASSUMING they can be stopped by brain shots, you want to make as little noise as possible so that you don't attract more due to excessive noise. A nice suppressed 9mm pistol or carbine with 147gr subsonic ammo does the trick. This is another reason to roll back restrictive laws governing sound suppressors - we need to be ready for the coming zombie horde!

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[GhostShooter]

The more zombies that show up the bigger the zombie bbq (gas pump in the basement of the mall).

 

[PaladinVC]

With all the debate over the pros and cons of .22 LR for zombie-whacking, why not just go with the .22 magnum? Not much heavier to carry, light recoil, and a greater effective range and penetration. That would be just the ticket.

I'm wondering why there were so many zombies on that little tiny island at the end.

So, 750,000 people. If you take into account the various traffic accidents, the dent that the police and military must have put in the population and the number of zombies that were probably too banged up to be a real threat, I don't see why they couldn't have exterminated them from the gun shop/mall position. If they'd taken the armored shuttles over to the shop and filled them with doom, used some IEDs, and used food and water responsibly, there's no reason they couldn't have pulled through. Although they probably would have had to kill the yuppie.

And I for one like the "hopeless" quality of the movie. It reminds me of Camus' treatment of the myth of Sisyphus: I'll never get this rock to the top of the mountain, but I'll be if I'm going to let it sit at the bottom!

 

[azrael]

Paladin is breaking out the Mythology stuff...

nice analogy

any .22 rimfire wouldn't be my first choice...I figure an Ak with 75 round drum with some spare 30 rounders backed up by a couple highcap 9mm's and a cut down shotty...

I think I have watched this movie to much...I spent an hour last night working on a SHTF rig instead of customers orders

 

[Greg Bell]

"And I for one like the "hopeless" quality of the movie. It reminds me of Camus' treatment of the myth of Sisyphus: I'll never get this rock to the top of the mountain, but I'll be if I'm going to let it sit at the bottom!"


Exactly! Life is a lot like that Zombies or no.

 

[John G]

You know, we can probably assume the group is killed at the end of the credits. But we don't know for certain, since the video camera is destroyed. The undead on the island were advanced, and more decayed. Possibly more brittle and weak even. There's a slim chance someone made it out.

Maybe one or two people hopped into a life raft, or swam away? Can zombies swim?

 

[Logan5]

Since I haven't quite finished blurting out all the spoilers stored up in my evil little obsessive movie geek brain, I'll risk further annoying all those who might wish this thread would die...
Ving Rhames gave an interview where he stated that his character was not killed in the movie and would return in a sequel if DotD '04 made enough money. Hmm, let me find it... I'll edit it in when I do.

ETA: http://www.canoe.ca/JamMoviesArtistsR/rhames_ving.html
(and the Toronto Sun reporter has some listening skill problems... Ving never says he was bitten)

Anyway, I imagine it made enough (48.5 million domestic?) money, and now we can look foreward to an all evil rifles spitting lead type sequel. Maybe... heh, after Ving does MI3 and Kojak, and a lot of other things I won't watch.

 

[Jokerman]

Well, it cost $45 million to make, so it really hasn't made enough yet domestically to justify a sequel. But it'll be out for a while still, and if we combine international grosses, we're talking about $100 million so far. So go see it again and help influence a sequel decision.

 

[Greg Bell]

I think 55 million or so in profit justifies a sequel. Even if they close up shop now they will make something like that. As long as they don't plan on spending 100 million or so on the remake of "Day of the Dead." The original, I believe, was made for $588.00 in foodstamps.