De Facto Gun Control

[Kjay]

There are many howling about all the various gun control proposals and the handful of actually passed laws. I find it ironic that the buying frenzy has given us de facto control. If you can't buy the guns of ammunition because it flies off the shelves in hoarding behavior what's the practical difference. Trying to buy a "modern sporting rifle" or ammunition such as .22lr, 9mm, .223 or .308 is a sad tale indeed. Imagine the poor guy "lucky" enough to buy an AR for an inflated price only to find there is no ammunition. Perhaps we have met the enemy and they is us?

 

[Texpatriate]

Nope. The enemy is not us. It may be annoying to not be able to find the firearms and ammunition we want, but we would not be experiencing these shortages if it were not for the threat of a common, self proclaimed, and well defined enemy. We must all hang together or we shall all surely hang separately. I am glad that I have everything I need, and I grieve for my fellow patriots (especially those who are new to our ranks) who cannot find what they need for themselves and their family's defense of home and country.

 

[holdencm9]

Unless it is the gov't buying all those arms and ammo to keep them away from us, I don't see how it is any sort of control.

Sure, some people may be hoarding ammo, or buying multiples of the same weapon to re-sell or just to have, out of fear that they won't be able to get it anymore, but there are also a lot of new gun owners, or people who formerly never owned any handguns or semi-auto rifles, now going out and buying them. The increased numbers gives us increased strength.

 

[Mobuck]

Unfortunately, I feel you're wrong. Every citizen(legally able to own a firearm) had the opportunity to own an AR and all the ammo he desired (or could afford) prior to the current mania.
As an example, I've given up numerous "discretional purchases" over the past 5 years in order to have access to firearms/ammo types which are now extremely expensive and/or unavailable. Unless you're living in a cardboard box under a bridge, YOU had the same opportunities as I since I'm retired, living on a very meager monthly income.

 

[hso]

Hyperbole taken too far doesn't serve the point very well.

There are ARs available locally and prices are beginning to drop towards MSRP and back towards the pre-banic prices.

 

[627PCFan]

This is why I did NOT buy a AR/AK/FAL. I always wanted a FAL but it is a common caliber that even our supply chains cannot feed in time of crisis. I handload every caliber, 35 Rem, 7mm, 6.5x55, 357/38 and 12 gauge and I am not reliant on commercial ammo. The trick is to makes sure you plan well enough to have components when needed.

 

[itchy1]

Record guns and ammo sales only bolsters our cause. The MSM can talk all they want about "~90% of gun owners are OK with..." but the sales receipts don't lie. Americans are voting with their wallets and I believe that this will be a flagship issue come Nov. 2014. One of the few positive by products of all this madness is what holdencm9 is refering to--an increase in the number of legal gun owners. We are experiencing some growing pains but are gaining strength in the process.

 

[Queen_of_Thunder]

Put 2 guns on layaway last week and have bought nearly 2,000 rounds. Not bad for a crises situation

 

[blakeci]

Unfortunately, I feel you're wrong. Every citizen(legally able to own a firearm) had the opportunity to own an AR and all the ammo he desired (or could afford) prior to the current mania.
As an example, I've given up numerous "discretional purchases" over the past 5 years in order to have access to firearms/ammo types which are now extremely expensive and/or unavailable. Unless you're living in a cardboard box under a bridge, YOU had the same opportunities as I since I'm retired, living on a very meager monthly income.

So I guess young people who just came of age to buy guns, and just got their first real job making some money can just go to heck according to your way of thinking?

Or what about people who had fallen on hard times, or lost their jobs, and had to sell down their collection to support their families and pay bills, you know, the people who aren't taking a hand-out and are trying to do the right thing and not go on any govt' assistance.

I don't know about y'all, but to many people, families come first over hobbies

But I guess they should have used their crystal balls, saw the future crisis and bought guns and ammo then, and just went hungry
instead of waiting until they got a job/better job.

 

[22-rimfire]

So I guess young people who just came of age to buy guns, and just got their first real job making some money can just go to heck according to your way of thinking?

Or what about people who had fallen on hard times, or lost their jobs, and had to sell down their collection to support their families and pay bills, you know, the people who aren't taking a hand-out and are trying to do the right thing and not go on any govt' assistance.

I don't know about y'all, but to many people, families come first over hobbies

But I guess they should have used their crystal balls, saw the future crisis and bought guns and ammo then, and just went hungry
instead of waiting until they got a job/better job.

Since our President has been re-elected. I have had a total shift in my way of thinking about things. If a government program is offered, you should take full advantage of the program in the same way that people take full advantage of every tax write off as is possible under the law when they do their taxes. This country is doomed and it is just a matter of riding it downward. All that will be left are guns and ammo.... silver and gold.... people and families trying to survive, and a few people trying to pick up the pieces. Sorry for the rant.

Our hobbies may save us.

New gun buyers will find ammunition. Already, more is flowing into the retail market. It is probably being bought up by all those new gun owners.

Kjay, I disagree with your initial post.

 

[rdhood]

This is why I did NOT buy a AR/AK/FAL. I always wanted a FAL but it is a common caliber that even our supply chains cannot feed in time of crisis. I handload every caliber, 35 Rem, 7mm, 6.5x55, 357/38 and 12 gauge and I am not reliant on commercial ammo. The trick is to makes sure you plan well enough to have components when needed.

Common calibers has nothing to do with it.

If someone can plan well enough to have components when needed, then they can plan well enough to have more popular ammunition when needed. Reloaders don't have any kind of corner on the "plan well enough" market.

Further, it is just as easy to "plan well enough" to have common caliber components when needed as it is to have have the non-common components when needed.

 

[Kjay]

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to troll. I have plenty of guns and ammo for my immediate needs. I can afford to buy what I want but choose not to pay the "enhanced" priced stuff. What kind of baffles me is the notion that panic buying or hoarding is accomplishing much. If the world is ending, the second coming is near, or the economy is about to collapse I'm not sure that an extra stack of guns and ammo will do that much good - for me anyway. My bet is that we all muddle through what ever event anyone can realistically bet on. I'm just wishing I could still order ammo from online or go to the local shop and expect to see .22lr in stock.

 

[Akita1]

Put 2 guns on layaway last week and have bought nearly 2,000 rounds. Not bad for a crises situation

Echo that - it's available, just pay the price & don the silver hat!

 

[r1derbike]

Many saw the writing on the wall several years ago, and made purchases accordingly. Those who waited paid a dear price, but look at it this way; they got what they wanted, they paid the price for what they wanted, and in doing so, helped business owners get tidy profits in the free market. There's always the option of just saying no to prices, but this craze has introduced hundreds of thousands (maybe much more?) to the joys of target shooting, plinking, and hopefully basic and advanced training for their new firearms.

I just wish I could find a .38 special bodyguard for my wife! Since shooting one at a range rental, she fell in love with it, and I keep having to say, sorry honey, I can't find one! She can't rack a slide due to a horrifc car accident years ago, or I'd let her have at a semi-auto.

What could be better (prolific sales)? I think it's great!

 

[InkEd]

The fact is there should NOT NEED to be a reason to stockpile and hoard ammunition! This is the USA and the 2A clearly states that all of this nonsense is a violation of our rights as citizens. The founding fathers wrote that law to ensure we have a way to defend our selves from tyranny both local and abroad.

Unfortunately, we do not live in a perfect world and WE HAVE ALLOWED our elected officials to take away our RIGHT to bear arms. The REASON people wish to own firearms vary and are IRRELEVANT because we have have the right to PRIVACY too.

The way our country SHOULD BE is that ammunition and firearms should be easily available for commercial sale. Moreover, in times of crisis the government (that is SUPPOSED to work for us) SHOULD step up and help provide the citizens with things of need. I am not saying to divert ammo from the military BUT they certainly could wait on building up their DHS stockpile.

 

[Domina]

Market based demand outsripping supply is not gun control. Legislative regulation of supply, procurement, or ownership is.

 

[22-rimfire]

But the certificate to purchase ammunition in CT is...

 

[HorseSoldier]

This is why I did NOT buy a AR/AK/FAL. I always wanted a FAL but it is a common caliber that even our supply chains cannot feed in time of crisis. I handload every caliber, 35 Rem, 7mm, 6.5x55, 357/38 and 12 gauge and I am not reliant on commercial ammo. The trick is to makes sure you plan well enough to have components when needed.

Couldn't you just buy an FAL and the equipment needed to handload .308?