Deer Gun and Recoil

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Vertical453

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First off, I'm 19 years old, living in PA who is looking to get into deer hunting for next season. I've just recently started really getting into firearms, although I have shot from time to time since I was 12.

I am looking for suggestions on what a good gun would be for deer, but also taking recoil into account because I absolutely DON'T want to develop a flinch; and when it comes to larger caliber rifles, I have little to no experience. I recently joined a range and plan to spend a lot of time there, so I will be shooting this gun often just for kicks, although I'm not looking to be shooting sub 1" groups at 100 yards because frankly, I don't think my marksmanship ability is there yet.

I was considering a Remington 700 SPS in 7mm-08 with some type of 3x9 scope.

Thanks in Advance,

Vert
 
The 7mm-08 is an excellent round. So is the 7mm Mauser, but modern rifles in that caliber are hard to find.

I can also recommend the 6.5 Swede as an excellent round with a mild recoil.
 
Tikka and CZ offer guns chambered in 6.5. I'm sure there are others, but I can't bring them to mind right now.
 
i vote .243 Winchester or .308

because frankly, I don't think my marksmanship ability is there yet.
That day will come, so you might as well get something you can use on that day.
 
700 sps is a solid choice, and a quality 3-9x scope is a great way to get into it. i suggest you stick w/ leupold, sightron, or nikon for a first scope. don't get too crazy cheap - you'll regret that. the leupold scopes have a ton of eye relief. you'll appreciate that.

for chambering, 7-08 is fantastic, as is a myriad of others: 25-06, 257 roberts, 260, 270, 280, 308... just to name a few.

you're on the right track.

good luck!
 
I would make sure to get a rifle that ammo is commonly available for and fairly inexpensive. But then you say you want to hunt deer with it, that makes things a bit more complicated caliber choice wise...

.308 is a good all purpose round, reasonably cheap and easy to find. Its about medium on the recoil scale for newer shooters. 243 is about as light as I would want to go on PA deer with a new shooter. 270 is also very light shooting and effective on deer. Ammo is a bit more expensive. If you are set on the 7mm-08 then go for it, It is currently offered in the Remington SPS, so that shouldn't be a problem.
 
.243 recoil is generally light, and it's a good deer-killer. My 7mm08 is only 6.5 pounds and is a bit of a bump at the benchrest, but no big deal. Offhand shooting, I don't particularly notice it.

By and large, 30-cal at 150 grains is sort of a dividing line, seems like. At and above, sorta noticeable on the recoil for some folks. At and below, not so much. (Leaving out Maggies, of course.)

.257 Roberts; the 6.5s and the 7x57 in a factory loading seem to be mild in the recoil department--and they'll work on deer pretty much as well as anyting else.
 
I am looking for suggestions on what a good gun would be for deer, but also taking recoil into account because I absolutely DON'T want to develop a flinch; and when it comes to larger caliber rifles, I have little to no experience. I recently joined a range and plan to spend a lot of time there, so I will be shooting this gun often just for kicks, although I'm not looking to be shooting sub 1" groups at 100 yards because frankly, I don't think my marksmanship ability is there yet.

My suggestion isn't a caliber but ammunition; the Remington Managed Recoil rounds have been very effective for my deer hunting. I shoot a .30-06, and the thump is quite gentle.

Another upside is that when I want something with more oomph, all I have to do is load different ammunition.
 
Pa deer rifle

OP, I can't believe you are posting from Pa and a 30-30 lever gun or Remington Pump .06 isn't a consideration. :)

To take recommendations on deer rifles without knowing what type of terrain and cover you will most likely find yourself in is tough.

My good friend essentially put his rifle in a rack and hunts almost exclusively with a slug gun because he is in areas (western Pa) which have thick underbrush/deadfalls and limited sight distances. I hunt those same areas and many times lay the rifle down and hold the Ruger Redhawk.

So is this to be used in a longer range capacity(power lines, open woods, fields) or all purpose?

I still like the pumpgun which does 1 1/4 to 1 1/2" groups at 100 but I have never shot a deer further than 100 yds.

Choose well or buy many :).

27hand
 
Lots of rifles in lots of calibers that would work. The parts of PA I have been in most really didn't lend themselves to shots of much more than 200-300 yards at the most, and even then a 100 yard shot was more reasonable. For that hunting I really like a lever rifle in .30-30. Light, handy, easy to carry all day, easy to come up on game quick. More than enough rifle to take a deer at 200 yards, though trajectory does fall off fairly quick if you are using round nose bullets. It is very easy on the shoulder.

Another options I like is a .243win. A fairly light recoiling rifle and with the better deer bullets, certainly capable. Some argue it isn't enough for deer but I haven't seen that to be the case if a proper shot is taken. Certainly a viable option and on the low side of recoil.

The 7mm-08 is a great round and recoils less than a .308.

The mention of 6.5 Swede is a great one. A fantastic round that gives you a wide variety of game you can take without being excessively over gunned or under gunned. Maybe not a grizzly round but that wasn't the game mentioned.

.308 works well too. Maybe a bit hard hitting for the distances I have available in PA, but a versatile round with great factory ammo selection.

.30-06 is a close to the .308, just a little more recoil and a little more speed. Really not needed for deer but it allows you to hunt about anything you could dream up on this 48.

There are others in there like the .260, .270, and .280, as well as a bunch of milsurp rounds as well that all would make good deer chamberings. Basically buy what you like. Anymore it seems that the ammo makers have gotten on the ball and offer a good deer round in about everything.

As for rifles. This really depends on budget. The SPS isn't a bad route. Probably not what I would go with, but certainly not terrible. I have fallen out of love with Remington of late. I know it seems to be the fad these days to hate on Remington factory rifles, but with the questionable fit and finish in a market that is so tight, I pass on Remington currently. A lot of guys seem to be more than happy with their SPS rifles though, and I will state I have no first hand experience with the SPS, so take that for a grain of salt.

I will say a few companies have stood out to me personally of late. Savage makes an ugly rifle. That ugly rifle shoots very very well though. From a function before form guy, the Savage is one of the tops on my list. My first pick would be to pick up a model with their new accustock in whatever chambering you decide. A sturdy stock, a decent action, a good trigger, and a very good(relative to other factory) barrel. Not much to hate other than they won't win a beauty pageant soon.

The Weatherby Vanguard is another great deal for the money. Good trigger, ok stock, good action and barrel with a 1.5" at 100 yard guarantee. Not many unhappy customers from what I hear.

The Thompson Center Venture is another bargain priced rifle with a lot going for it. The rifle has a guarantee to shoot 1" at 100 yards. Again hard to argue with. I have heard so so feedback on the venture but I think that is because most users were hoping for a half priced icon, which isn't quite what you get. Still for the money and with that guarantee it is hard to pass up.

Tikka has a large following. Never got in with them but a lot of positive comments.

Ruger is hit or miss for me and a bit expensive for the group listed. Their rifles, to me, have a lot of potential, but seem to be plagued with inconsistent accuracy reports. Some people claim them to be the most accurate rifles they own, and others say they just won't shoot with the competition. Who knows but for the price premium here, I find them a hard sell.

CZ is a brand I have strong following with. Again a bit of a price premium, but I feel it is warranted. Their rifles shoot well, the wood on the ones I have seen looks good, the action is a mauser copy, the barrels seem to shoot well, and the single set trigger is one I find amazing. It lets have a fully adjustable unset trigger, which can be tuned at home for the perfect hunting trigger, and also has the set trigger, which fits great at the bench. Just a solid rifle with a trigger I really enjoy.

Oh yeah, I skipped Winchester. Things seem to be moving for the better with them. If you can find one you like I wouldn't hesitate to buy one of them either.

So lots of options on both the chambering side and the rifle side. That said, even though there are many options, most all are quality choices making it hard to go wrong any way you decide.

Forgot about scopes. Not sure again on the budget but I find that Weaver makes a good budget 3-9. The Nikon prostaff is as inexpensive as I would go and may step up to the buckmaster. The Bushnell 3200 3-9 is another good yet inexpensive option. The Leupold VXI is about on par with the group and gets you the Leupold name and warranty. Sightron makes some good budget scopes as well. Clearidge scopes are another decent priced option. Made in Japan rather than China and have a good warranty. Vortex is another fairly unheard of line. They offer a no questions asked, replace at any vortex dealer, warranty. Take in your bad scope to any dealer, ask for a replacement, trade your scope, and be on your way.

I would stay away from China made scopes in general. There are a few areas where this may not be true but for the most part what comes from China is junk.
 
I understand the remarks about hunting in the brush here in PA. The fact is, where I'm from, there is a mix of both heavily wooded areas that deer frequent and also more open fields that I've heard can be extremely productive. I'm new to hunting, so until the season comes and me and my buddy start figuring out what is going on, I don't know how that is going down. With my old grandfather's Marlin 336 in .35 Remington and a scoped 870 slug gun, I think I have the thicker areas covered already.

I appreciate all the replies guys, great info! Thanks.
 
I spend the money on a Stevens 200 for $300-$350, then the rest of the money on the best scope you can afford. Look into calibers 243 or 7mm-08 as you said.
 
seem like to me, I agree with previous posts about the 7-08, 6.5 Swede,260,.308 not excessive recoil and Pa. deer are fair size so I wouldnt go a .243, .257 roberts at the bare minimum.so many calibers, I have had to get them all.:evil:
 
I think benzy2 pretty much nailed it.

The only thing I have to add, is that you might consider a used gun. Many of the used deer rifles that I've seen have been carried a lot, but shot very little. Also the prices of new guns are getting out of hand in my opinion.
 
I would recommend a Rem 760 in .308. You may want to hunt something larger than deer and a .308 will easily take any animal in the lower 48.
 
Vertical453, your initial choice of a 7mm-08 is a good one and you have the luxury of having more than one brand of rifle to choose from in that caliber.
Remington, Savage, Stevens, Marlin, Ruger all have their own feel and I suggest going to a store where you can hold them to see what feels right to you.
I like Remingtons, but Marlin has been getting good grades for the price lately, and the new TC Venture is also getting attention with it's guarantee of 1"or less grouping ability around $400 or so. I'm sure you can make an informed decision by checking the different brands available.



NCsmitty
 
If you plan on reloding in your life my vote is 30-06 but that is only because of the range of bullets from 100 grain up to 220 grain

But for over the counter 30-30 that is what my wife uses and she doesn't have a problem with
The recoil so you know it isn't that bad.
 
I would recommend a Marlin XS-7 chambered in 7mm-08 (neither recoil nor killing critters will be an issue with this potent but mild mannered cartridge), it is less expensive than the Remington, and a little nicer IMO. Use the money saved on the purchase of a good quality scope such as a Nikon Monarch, Bushnell Elite, Sightron II, or Zeiss Conquest (the 3-9x40mm is only about $400.00 and is a best buy IMO). If you want to spend a little more consider a Savage or better yet a Winchester chambered for the same cartridge, just don't skimp on the optics.

:)
 
I started out with Dad's 30-30 Winchester. Decided to get a bolt with a scope. My buddy said .243. Bought a Win Model 70 Featherweight in late 70's. Killed a bunch of deer. Still a sweet shooter. I don't flinch. 243
 
If you can handle a 870 Slug Gun and not develop a flinch you should be fine recoil-wise with anything 30-06 and below. I find 2.75-in slugs to have considerably more recoil than a .30-06.
 
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