In a gun argument on another forum and trying to remember an old story I read long ago, about an elderly gun-store owner down in florida who had a full-auto license and used full-auto fire to fight off a group of robbers who broke into his store. I've tried google and hotbot and forum searches here and on firingline, but haven't found it yet. Any help finding the tale appreciated.
Defensive use of full auto fire?
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extremefishin00
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I seem to remember that Gary Fadden of Al Mar knives also used a full auto firearm in a self defense incident some years ago...I may be wrong though..
Chris
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That incident was written up in a Ayoob file in AH a few months ago. IIRC the person who used the full auto weapon was an employee of HK at the time and the shooting occurred in the HK parking lot after he drove into the gated lot in an attempt to escape from a carload of thugs who were trying to run him off the road. The gun was a Ruger AC556 that he was using as a comparision sample.
I don't recall the person's name in the article, but I do seem to remember that he later owned a knife company, so we are probably talking about the same incident.
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You do not need a license to own full auto in FL
Zundfolge
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Yeah, here's the story (and he was a salesman for HK at the time)
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_168_28/ai_112685749
BTW, American Handgunner and Guns are both archived at www.findarticles.com so you can read pretty much any article published there (minus photos).
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Please post more information on that statement?
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For each FA firearm you want, you must make sure the state you live in allows them, then apply with a form 4 to the ATF with a $200 tax fee. They do a lengthy background check.
Look into the 1934 NFA and the 1986 law for further info.
Look into the 1934 NFA and the 1986 law for further info.
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Yeah, I knew about that. I was just wondering if he was saying there were states excempt somehow from the federal regulations. Although if that were so, I think I'd know about it. >.>
Ayoob tells this story at LFI with some, er..... embelishments
which make it much more amusing.In the story form retelling Ayoob says that in attempting to make his attackers back down the salesman (who he says was a technician who had the ruger to do research on it) fired a "warning burst" taking out the windows in the office building accross the street........" and them after the perp said F*** you and your F***ing automatic weapon the tech "performed the indicated response". He then said that H&K paid the whole legal bill plus the cost of repairing the building accross the street, and then he closes by describing the techs converstation with his boss after the event, which he does in a very bad german accent
"vee vill tak care of you diss time, but next time remember to ussse our product"
I like the embelished version better myself
Zundfolge
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You don't need a "license" to own full auto stuff, you pay a tax and then you register the class III goodies ... many people confuse the tax and registration with a "license".
Its like with your car, the taxes and registration of the car are NOT a "Driver's License".
Its like with your car, the taxes and registration of the car are NOT a "Driver's License".
The federal tax is a transfer tax, not a license fee. BATFE must approve a transfer and approval of the transfer is the same as registration to the new owner.
Some states or localities ban possession of full automatic weapons. The federal law does NOT override state or local law. Some states have additional registration or licensing requirements. It is easy for PMDW to blow these off but they are important to residents of those states, and anyone suggesting that state/local laws can be disregarded is trying to get someone else in trouble.
Oddly, IIRC, one state, Connecticut, bans semi-autos but not full auto. In that state, one can own, say, an M3 SMG, which is FA only, but not a STEN, which is selective fire. Go figure.
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Some states or localities ban possession of full automatic weapons. The federal law does NOT override state or local law. Some states have additional registration or licensing requirements. It is easy for PMDW to blow these off but they are important to residents of those states, and anyone suggesting that state/local laws can be disregarded is trying to get someone else in trouble.
Oddly, IIRC, one state, Connecticut, bans semi-autos but not full auto. In that state, one can own, say, an M3 SMG, which is FA only, but not a STEN, which is selective fire. Go figure.
Jim
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Full auto for defensive use? Of course!
I practice bump firing my SAR-1 for defensive use. I ran several mags through it today.
I practice bump firing my SAR-1 for defensive use. I ran several mags through it today.
So there's no license to own Class III? I'd looked around a bit, and that was the impression that I was getting. It's confusing, I'll open a different thread about that.
I'm kind of wondering about the legal ramifications of using full auto for defense.
I'm kind of wondering about the legal ramifications of using full auto for defense.
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"I'm kind of wondering about the legal ramifications of using full auto for defense."
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I'll let you know if I find someone up to no good on the place tonight.
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I'll let you know if I find someone up to no good on the place tonight.
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