DeLay must bridge gap with Bush (about border legislation)

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I wonder who's vote DeLay is trying to keep. To me, this looks like a good way to lose a lot of votes from all parties. If he toughens the law, loses Mexican vote. If he doesn't tighten the laws, loses the American vote. With choices like that, maybe it is time for him to retire.

DeLay must bridge gap with Bush
By Patrick O'Connor
http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/092005/gap.html

The White House outlined a comprehensive immigration overhaul during a meeting last week with congressional Republicans, creating a potential conflict between the administration and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas), who favors an incremental approach to reform.

The comprehensive package would increase enforcement on the border, create new workplace requirements for employers and expand guest-worker programs inside and outside the United States, said Reps. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) and Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.), who met last week with White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove and other senior administration officials.

Flake said the administration “insists on comprehensive reform,” putting the president at odds with DeLay and those congressional Republicans who would rather change the current immigration code one law at a time. As recently as last week, DeLay said he would prefer passing a bill to increase border security before taking up legislation to address workplace enforcement or the current guest-worker program.

In the House, GOP leaders must try to find legislative language agreeable to those members advocating stronger border protections and those members pushing for an expansion of the country’s guest-worker program, although there is considerable overlap.

“We’re closer than people think,” Flake said of the distance between competing factions within the Republican Conference. “The gulf is not as wide as people assume.”

The guest-worker provisions in the White House package would require illegal immigrants employed in the United States to register with the federal government as part of a national database for employers of all sizes. Those workers would then be allowed to stay in the country for an intermediate phase as long as they remained employed.

Flake and Kolbe included a similar provision in the comprehensive immigration bill they co-wrote with Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) and Sens. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.). Their bill would allow these workers to register for two successive three-year terms, during which they would have temporary guest-worker status and could apply for permanent residency.

In contrast, the administration plan would require these workers to return to their countries of origin after the intermediate work phase to register for permanent residency, Kolbe said.

In the Senate, John Cornyn (R-Texas) and Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) have introduced a bill that would require illegal immigrants employed in the United States to return to their countries of origin before applying for permanent residency or guest-worker status.

Similar legislation is expected in the House, where Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), whose committee will mark up the eventual legislation, told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel last week that he expected Hurricane Katrina to postpone any bill overhauling the country’s immigration policy until next year.

Neither Flake nor Kolbe would give any details about when the administration would want to see Congress pass an immigration measure, but both members said they were confident the House could tackle legislation this year.

During a Republican Conference meeting the last week in July, President Bush told members that he wanted Congress to address immigration reform “next fall,” prompting one member to shout: “We can’t wait until next fall.”

Bush then clarified his remarks to say he meant this fall, Flake said.

Immigration continues to be a particularly controversial issue for congressional Republicans. Flake and Kolbe both faced primary opponents last year who attacked them for advocating an expanded guest-worker program. Kolbe’s challenger, state Rep. Randy Graf, has again made immigration the cornerstone of his campaign to unseat the senior member of the Arizona delegation. Graf won 43 percent of the Republican vote during last year’s primary. His website features a Ronald Reagan quote about immigration: “A nation without borders is not a nation.”

Flake argues that comprehensive changes to immigration policy are the best way to handle this issue politically because such a strategy would address concerns from every side of the political spectrum.

“If it’s comprehensive reform … then that covers the basics for all of us, no matter what districts we’re from,” Flake said. In contrast, passing one component at a time would be a “recipe for disaster,” he said.

A coalition of labor unions, civil-rights organizations and religious groups, including the newly independent Service Employees International Union, has scheduled a series of rallies beginning today at Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington in support of the Flake-Kolbe bill.
 
Well, if I were a mean unrighteous man, I would save this article to rub faces in it every time I hear the Bushahidin work to fulfil the wishes of their electorate in preference to their own political and economic interests.

As far as Mexicans go, the ironic tragedy is they do not seem to understand that the more they undermine the US laws and culture, the more they turn it into the POS nightmarish mudhole of Latin America they ran away from in the first place. Way to import misery, lawlessness, hopelessness, and poverty. Frigging morons...
 
Lemme see here.

Bush wants a comprehensive solution. That means we the taxpayer places our trust in politicians to enforced THE FREAKIN' LAWS THEY REFUSE TO ENFORCE NOW! Do I have it correct. Can't trust 'em now so we pass a law so we can trust 'em. My head, my head. I'm having a duct tape moment.

Mr. President, here is what will play with the Great Fed Up.

First, aggressive, public workplace enforcement.

Second, interdiction of human convoys crossing the border.

Third, border surveillence doing exactly what the military is doing in Iraq. The military base that trains drone operators for Predators used in Iraq is on the freakin' border. All surveillence production and output will be made available to media worldwide.

Fourth, deportation of aliens caught. You here illegally, you gone.

Fifth, Bounty system. Here legally complete with a green card or other genuine official US goobermint paperwork? Great. Drop a dime on an illegal and get a crisp $100 bill for every one busted. No discounts for quantity busts.

Sixth, employers caught hiring illegals are fined <inset amount of choice> only after paying the entire cost of the bust, housing, legal costs, transportation costs, and admin fees.

My suggestions, sir, are only a start. Do the foregoing and you might have earned the opportunity to have a chance to begin to be trused by the Great Fed Up.

Oh, BTW, I want a Sense of the Senate Resolution telling you that you will be impeached should we have a terror strike staged from across the border. You have been playing politics with 'Murican lives and have been astoundingly lucky. I want you to understand that when my luck runs out, your's will to.

Keep it up knucklehead. Your so-called party is playing a game with the Great Fed Up that it will lose.
 
+10

Bush's comprehensive solution will be to legitimize the influx, of course. It will be one more blank check--like Katrina, like the WOT. He has no intention of dealing with the problem because he doesn't see it as a problem. He figures he's abetting American business, enhancing family values, helping the poor, laying the groundwork for a bigger Republican voting constituency, and, well, just bein' neighborly. Beyond that he thinks not, or so it seems. Is there more than meets the eye here? The Bush family's ties with Mexico remain terra incognita for journalistic inquiry--don't ask me why; only the "cranks" touch that topic. Letting the poor of Mexico come here is certainly one way to keep the Mexican oligarchy, the latifundisti, keep sway over the masses--and, of course, the oil monies.
 
One thing we are not talking about is government-to-government talks. Hardass stuff. I'm not saying Bush will do this--he still thinks Fox is his barbecue buddy--but someone will have to. We need to make clear to the Mexican gov't that there will be consequences for what's going on here. Financial consequences--and maybe more. There's plenty we could do. Stop remittances back to Mexico, e.g. Demand oil for compensation. Incrementally seize Baja.

It will, I think, eventually come to this, if not via Bush or Hillary or The Unknown Republican, then via somebody with a nationalistic spirit.
 
Something just dawned on me. Bush wants to get illegal immigration off the table by the end of this year because next year is the year of FTAA. And these two issues are most decidely interrelated. I would think Bush would stack his illegal immigration bill with provisions that will grease the wheels for FTAA since he is completely sold out on corporatism. That would explain why he wants a comprehensive package instead of the rational approach of

1>stop feeding the problem
2>define the problem
3>develop possible solutions to the problem
4>select best solution
5>implement solution
6>evaluate results
7>adjust solution as needed.

Opps. Sorry for the fit of rationality.
 
Bush wants to "get beyond" the illegal alien messiness, that's right, and move on to FTAA. But no matter what Bush and his droogs push through they are not going to solve the underlying problem. There is no "amicable and rational" way to undermine citizenship, suffrage, destroy your nation's sovereignty, and transfer hard-won wealth to strangers. That is a bitter pill that will not be swallowed with a smile and a genuflection. All that will happen--and this is very worrisome--is that the disconnect between Government and the productive class of America will widen. At some point both Gov't and the rule of law will start being ignored--and that is when the real fun will begin.
 
If you open the URL I copied in Post #8 above, you will see republicans are well aware of the chasm between what I call the ruling class and taxpaying class. Interesting enough the tone of the memo is "just another political situation" to be defused.

I think Bush is oblivious of popular feelings about illegal immigration. Rove goes to the hospital and Bush completely misses the disaster called Katrina. Rove is not asleep on illegal immigration but he seems to be oblivious.

Both parties are playing with fire.
 
I thought one of the "Clintoon's" biggest sins in the conservative book was NAFTA. How come now it is the house majority that passed CAFTA over the protest of rabid liberals?

Looks to me like both party leaderships are betrothed to the same ugly bride... :rolleyes:
 
BTW, the fax accidently went to a Democrat's fax which explains why the Great Fed Up get to see it.
There are no accidents. The letter is written to the Dems. It's just got Rove's name on it for deniability. A planned leak, nothing new here.
 
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