Compassion run amok - Bush's immigration policy

[seeker_two]

MicroBalrog: That policy is certainly working well for the Israeli & Palestinian population...

 

[MicroBalrog]

MicroBalrog: That policy is certainly working well for the Israeli & Palestinian population

I didn't notice we were getting any in. We use stuff like 20mm Vulcans on illegal immigrants. NOT kidding.

Now, if you like that, how would you like our gun policy?

 

[glocksman]

I didn't notice we were getting any in. We use stuff like 20mm Vulcans on illegal immigrants. NOT kidding

My plan is called the Million Mines per Mileâ„¢ plan.
It may not be as spectacular in action as a Vulcan, but its just as effective.

We propose a five-word constitutional amendment: There shall be open borders. People are the great resource, and so long as we keep our economy free, more people means more growth, the more the merrier. Study after study shows that even the most recent immigrants give more than they take.

Sure they give more than they take.
Would you like to buy a cement bicycle to go along with those 'studies'?

The only reason the WSJ supports an amnesty and open borders is because it supresses wages.

Here's some more information on illegal immigration.

Despite being ineligible, illegal aliens get welfare the same way they get jobs: false identity document fraud. In many cities, false documents can be bought on the street for as little as $40. With false identity as a U.S. citizen, an illegal alien may establish eligibility for welfare. With the cost of displacing American workers, the cost of giving welfare to needy illegal aliens, and the cost of providing them general services, it is estimated that the annual net cost of illegal immigrants is $20 billion (after counting their tax contributions).

 

[longeyes]

"We propose a five-word constitutional amendment: There shall be open borders. People are the great resource, and so long as we keep our economy free, more people means more growth, the more the merrier. Study after study shows that even the most recent immigrants give more than they take.


-The Wall Street Journal"


The welfare state isn't going away; in fact, with the help of our current President and many of his partisans it is, in fact, increasing.

The notion that people, per se, are the great resource is bogus. There are many populous nations that would belie that assertion. Creative people, operating within an effective social and cultural political system, are the engine of economic progress. America's economic edge results from a combination of entrepreneurial spirit hitched to a strong scientific and technological base. The Left in this country is eroding the former; our soft, consumeristic life style is imperiling the latter.

I agree with many of the WSJ's positions but here they are spouting the accepted globalist line.

 

[Waitone]

A country, any country is defined by its borders.

No borders, no countries.

Any country that does not contol its borders ceases to exist as a country.

Maybe we need to redefine countries in terms of corporations. So instead of being a citizen of the US, I'd be a citizen of General Electric.

 

[MicroBalrog]

Does anybody know what the basis for the original quota idea was and who it was aimed at?

 

[longeyes]

If you're talking about Ted Kennedy's initiative ('65?), it would appear the intention was to de-europeanize the United States. Some would term that "fairness," others racism in reverse.

 

[MicroBalrog]

No, I mean the original one in the early 20th century, designed to keep the Jews out IIRC.

 

[seeker_two]

I didn't notice we were getting any in. We use stuff like 20mm Vulcans on illegal immigrants. NOT kidding.

Now, if you like that, how would you like our gun policy?

I like the Vulcan idea, but I believe the Million Mines per Mileâ„¢ plan would work better. (BTW, I was commenting on the irony of your prior quote... )

As for immigration: I would like to see our legal immigration limits TRIPLE--as long as we stamp out the illegal alien problem. And I'd like to see ruthless means used to stamp out the illegal alien problem. Such as a no-man's land five miles inside the Mexican border complete w/ land mines & rocket-firing arial drones. Would help to "dissuade" illegals...

 

[STONER]

If the United States continues on its present course, it will go the way of the Roman Empire.

 

[MicroBalrog]

I would like to see our legal immigration limits TRIPLE--as long as we stamp out the illegal alien problem.

That problem is at least partially a result of the way you people made it so hard for immigrants to get in legally

 

[longeyes]

"You people?"

Hey, dude, show me another country so welcoming and so generous.

We're all waiting...

The future of America is going to be about allegiance. If this country breaks up because of the balkanization imposed by our misguided Left, you can expect we will be making up the lost territory elsewhere.

 

[longeyes]

America is not a crashpad for everybody in the world who thinks they have a God-given right to come here. Some of us remember that, even if the tasseled loafer set in the State Department doesn't.

 

[STONER]

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" If this country breaks up because of the balkanization "
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longeyes,

Balkanizing the country does seem to be the goal. Some will argue that the purpose is for Votes, or Cheap Labor, or Compassion, etc. OK, regardless of the Real Purpose, the result IS The BALKANIZATION OF THE U.S.A.

Our policy(s) should be to preserve our BORDERS, LANGUAGE, and CULTURE.

The ONLY way to reverse course is to VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS.

Forget party loyalties, think only of America First, and what is right.

 

[MicroBalrog]

Welcoming? Generous?

Israel.

 

[moa]

IIRC, the United States allows more legal immigration than all of the rest of the world put together. Today, one out of five Americans is foreign born. All of that sounds quite "welcoming" and "generous" to me.

However, I think our legal immigration quotas are too large. The secret to an effective immigration policy is that the flow of people allows for assimilation. Between legal and illegal immigration, I do not see assimilation happening.

Regarding Israel, is not one of the big sticking points of a lasting Israeli and Palestinian peace agreement is the "right of return" of the estimated four million Palestinians of the Palestinian diaspora?

It appears to me that Israel has no intention of allowing all those Palestinians to come back.

 

[MicroBalrog]

It appears to me that Israel has no intention of allowing all those Palestinians to come back.

In actual fact, Ehud Barak did propose an agreement on how to do that.

P.S. Up until 1989 EVERY new citizen got appartment keys when he landed.

Today, over half Israelis are either immigrants or sons of immigrants - including the Prime Minister.

 

[moa]

Everybody in the USA is an immigrant or the offspring of immigrants, and that includes American Indians. Does that mean that the USA should have open borders and let in just anybody and everybody? I don't think so. And, I doubt if Israel does not control immigration.

One of the complaints I have heard uttered by Iraelis and their American supporters is that the reason there are so many "Palestinians" in Israel, is they are actually people from other parts of the Middle East, mostly Jordan, who immigrated to Palestine before it became Israel, because the Israelis had turned the desert into a garden.

Barak is not longer Prime Minister either. Maybe his proposal did not go over too well with Israeli voters.

 

[MicroBalrog]

One of the complaints I have heard uttered by Iraelis and their American supporters is that the reason there are so many "Palestinians" in Israel,

You can't have "Palestinians" in Israel by definition.

Palestinian = West Bank

Israeli-Arab = Green Line