Denied CC for night class, WW(you)D?

[Sage of Seattle]

Where are more of the "it's software not hardware" guys in this thread?

A pistol may be the best tool, but it is certainly not the only tool.

The first tool is your mind. Use it. That's where this

I would carry if I had something to carry. Instead, I keep a large pocket knife for the illusion of safety. I am really just BSing myself, but I have no other options.

is a definite poor way of thinking, and I don't mean to pick on you specifically, eatont9999. But ever since I was a kid, one of my most firmly believed sayings is "you act like you belong, and you will belong" with a collorary being "you act like a victim and you will become a victim."

But, it sounds to me like Keegan's wife is already pretty up on things with a CCP and all that and carries regularly, so it may very well be a case of what woad_yurt said about himself and his now ex-wife.

Women love us and we love them, but they don't need us to solve their problems for them (especially if they themselves don't see it as a problem). And if any woman needs you to solve her problem for her, run away -- run away as fast as you can and never look back!

 

[Tyris]

Sure, the gun might save a life, but the person left alive would be a liar and a hypocrite, which to me is a worse fate then an honorable death.

Heh. This is a darwin award waiting to happen. Perhaps the dumbest statement I've read here yet.

I am sure her family would probably question the "honor" in being killed while disarmed. But it sure would be honorable to be gutted like pig in a parking lot!!

-T

 

[3fgburner]

I voted "Other".

Call the cops and demand a police escort to her car, EVERY night she has class. Encourage all her female classmates to do the same. Tell them that since the ROTC cadets are unarmed, that they're not satisfactory escorts.

 

[che_70b]

What is it with people and this desire to keep oaths to bad people. I am a big believer in keeping oaths to your people but there is no great reason to keep oaths to wicked people and outsiders. The vikings were very big on oath keeping and there are many tales of heros using trickery and dieciet to best bad guys and outsiders. Oaths mattered to your own people.

 

[American_Pit_Bull]

Since it is perfectly legal for her to carry; I wouldn't have even asked for an exemption.

 

[bsf]

…………………..The main issue for my post is that most night class instructors are more laid back than their daytime counterparts. We approached them together and asked if my wife could bring "protection" to class. All but one of them approved.

Protection was our 110# Red Pitbull. Bull would sit at my wife's feet for the duration of class and afterwards guaranteed to walk her to her car. Soon my wife was walking several women to their cars as well.

Now she also carried pepper foam and a flashlight (surefire E2e) but that dog was the best.

Just a thought if she can get her instructors to go with it.

That is a novel and great idea. Nobody but a crazy, crazy person wants to mess with any protective dog of size.

“So you want my wallet or my body, well ‘Say hello to my little friend’”.

 

[bogie]

Where does she have to park?

When I lived at Maxwell and Lexington about 25 years ago, I don't remember a great number of "organized" parking lots, except maybe over toward the dorms and frat row...

If you see Rick Lynaugh, tell him Bogardus sez hello...

 

[woad_yurt]

Thank you, Sage.

 

[Feud]

Heh. This is a darwin award waiting to happen. Perhaps the dumbest statement I've read here yet.

Perhaps, but I personally feel that there is more to life then breathing another breath. When I die there will one of two outcomes: if there is an afterlife I can tell any higher power(s) that exists there that I lived my life caring more for what was morally right then temporally beneficial, and if there is nothing after this life then the only thing left will be those who remember me, and they can say that I held no one to higher standard than myself.

If that makes me a Darwin Award Candidate then so be it.

I am sure her family would probably question the "honor" in being killed while disarmed. But it sure would be honorable to be gutted like pig in a parking lot!

Perhaps this sounds bad, but I would rather my loved ones be killed then for them to give up their integrity to extend their lives a few short years. An honorable death isn't how you die, it's who you are when you die.

If location and manner counted for anything, as you seem to feel they do, then what of the countless millions who have died during wars in equally grotesque manners?

 

[Keegan]

She parks at my aunt's house off of Euclid Ave. I'd say it's about two blocks down poorly-lit sidewalks to her class.

Never really been to Lynaugh's. I'm more of a Pazzo's guy.

 

[jakemccoy]

I recommend both options 2 and 3. I do not publicly recommend others to break the law. However, I also do not advocate against it for certain situations if you get my drift. You must make your own decisions when it comes to law infringement.

(I haven't researched if this would be breaking the law or just school policy).

 

[cpttango30]

No sir, Mr. Campus Security sir, that's really just a can of mace that looks like a Colt Lightweight Commander.

Get her one of these. It looks like a gun but it is mace.

http://www.life-act.com/jpx.php

 

[Tyris]

Perhaps this sounds bad, but I would rather my loved ones be killed then for them to give up their integrity to extend their lives a few short years. An honorable death isn't how you die, it's who you are when you die.

If location and manner counted for anything, as you seem to feel they do, then what of the countless millions who have died during wars in equally grotesque manners?

Where and how they die are meaningless in the long run. How they lived is another matter.

I think you've become to encumbered with how you die and the circumstances surrounding death. Death sucks just as bad if your honorable and subservient to some politician. Im more interested in how my loved ones live. I'd prefer their lives are not cut short by following pencil pusher's stupid rules.

Feel free to setup your family with roadblocks and hindrances. I'll do the best to give mine every advantage. I am sure you'll find solace in saying "yeah, my wife got raped in the butt but she was honorable the whole time as she did not disobey the fine print!!" or perhaps "yeah, my wife died a good death!! way to go gal!", "my children sure were worthy of their slaying!!"

This is not the Klingon homeworld.

-T

 

[1911Tuner]

Perhaps this sounds bad, but I would rather my loved ones be killed then for them to give up their integrity to extend their lives a few short years.

Pretty idealistic notion there, Feud.
Wonder how it'd hold up in a realistic situation...

 

[M203Sniper]

"This is not the Klingon Homeworld" :lol:

I wouldn't break the law/regulation/whim of anyone at a school where all that hard work has been put in. I would appeal to the reply and find out if they consider Tazers and BIG cans of O.C. acceptable for self defense. They may not like your argument but at least you're giving options and latitude and not just defiance.

What does she feel good about doing?

 

[Tyris]

OC is weak.
Unless of course OC stands for Oven Cleaner.

-T

 

[Feud]

I'd prefer their lives are not cut short by following pencil pusher's stupid rules.

No one is forcing anyone to go to college, it is a choice that an individual makes and when they make it they should be expected to keep the agreements they have made with the institution. Be it some "pencil pusher" or not, the students at a given school have agreed to live by the "stupid rules". If they don't like the rules then go somewhere else, don't go at all, or get the rules changed through lawful civic means.

Feel free to setup your family with roadblocks and hindrances. I'll do the best to give mine every advantage.

If by roadblocks and hindrances you mean teaching them the importance of honesty, and keeping one's word regardless of how inconvenient, I will do just that. If by advantage you mean encourage them to agree to the terms of a contract and then break them if they think it's to their benefit and they can get away with it, feel free to teach that if you wish but I will do no such thing.

Pretty idealistic notion there, Feud.
Wonder how it'd hold up in a realistic situation...

And what would that realistic situation be?

 

[Nagant]

I am so sick of "us" debating these unjust policies/laws that "they" pass on us. (I am dealing with a very similar decision myself, btw). These nanny-state, bigbrother, commu-nazis who think the only people who need guns are the police are either tyrannical at heart, or utterly ignorant of reality. We shouldn't even have to be talking about this garbage. Our forefathers sacrificed for us to have the right to protect ourselves, WHEREVER, WHENEVER, HOWEVER we please,... and these weaklings in government have convinced us to accept all these "buts" and exceptions to the 2nd amendment. I'm sick of it. If anything happens to an unarmed person who would otherwise choose to arm and protect themselves were it not for these ridiculous rules and laws, we should sue the pants off of these weak-kneed institutions.

 

[1911Tuner]

If by roadblocks and hindrances you mean teaching them the importance of honesty, and keeping one's word regardless of how inconvenient,

Yeah...I can't think of anything more inconvenient than having your throat slashed after being gang-raped in a parking lot that's too big for a security guard to keep an eye on.

Don't pretend that it doesn't happen.

Of course, even if he saw it start, he'd probably just call for help anyway...

Ah! I love the sound of bleating sheep in the morning. It sounds like.......Breakfast!

 

[Geronimo45]

Harass 'em to get the escort. Every time. When one isn't quick in coming, make a written complaint. And a personal visit, if possible.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease, after all.

 

[Feud]

Don't pretend that it doesn't happen.

I realize that it does, and I'm not saying that one shouldn't be allowed to carry on campus. All I'm saying is that no one is forcing the person to attend that school. If they choose to attend it then they should be expected to live the guidelines they agreed to live by. Or, be like Utah and make it so that the public schools don't have a choice in the matter.

Ah! I love the sound of bleating sheep in the morning. It sounds like.......Breakfast!

I thought this forum was called the High Road for a reason. I haven't advocated people not having the right to carry a gun, to own a gun, or to protect themselves. I have only said that when one is own property otehr then their own by agreement that they should be expected to keep that agreement until such is changed through lawful means.

It is quite sad that a forum moderator for "The High Road" would decide it appropriate to resort to petty name calling against those who disagree with them over a matter of keeping one's word. That seems to be about as "low road" as one can go.

 

[AndrewGWU]

I do not think that carrying on the nights you could not take her yourself, if felt necessary and kept between only you and her, would be giving up you integrety or honor.

That said, I am a male, but I would not carry on my college campus due to the fact that I do not have to park far away, it is small, and the distance between my class and my car can be viewed by the campus PD.

 

[1911Tuner]

Feud asked:

And what would that realistic situation be?

Oh...An attack on your wife or daughter...or both.

But, you stated that you'd rather that they die "honorably" than to break the rules. 'Zat right?

It's good that Thomas Jefferson and the rest of those insurrectious rebels
felt differently when they risked their lives...their fortunes...and their sacred honor in setting up the Bill of Rights so that future generations could be secure enjoy the prosperity of all that they handed us.

Hear that buzzin' sound? They're spinning in their graves because we're about to let somebody else undo all that they did.

The recent nannystate mentality that cedes authority to anyone who puts up an official-looking sign is absurd. The only power they have over you is what you allow them to have. If you're willing to offer up the lives of your family in order to lend credence to that assumption of power, that is your choice. I'd rather have mine alive at home, and we'll deal with the fallout that comes from breaking the rules in due course.

 

[AKCOP]

The greatest fear I have is being shot and laying on the ground bleeding to death and being mad as hell becaue I left my sidearm at home. At home where it doesme or my family no good because in my state we have no provisons for concealed carry. I am a retired LEO and my state has done nothing to allow me to comply with Federal law allowing retired officers to carry. So each day I walk out the door knowing I am breaking the law if I carry. What a sad sad state of affairs in these United States of America..

 

[Old Fuff]

I am always interested in the way those that run our universities, colleges, and other institutions of higher learning are so quick to deny they’re student bodies a practical way to defend themselves, but refuse to provide any practical and universal options. Since violent criminal acts are, as a matter of record, committed on campuses it is clear that students asking for permission to employ effective means to defend themselves are not making frivolous requests; and it would seem that the school has a duty to address these concerns in an effective manner. They don't of course, because doing so would be outrageously expensive, and apparently students are expendable. Perhaps someday online institutions will provide a solution. As it is, the best the schools seem to offer is a candlelight vigil and making grief counselors available after a tragedy happens.

If our forefathers knew what was happening they go off and vomit.