Denied Renewal of My CWP

[USMCsilver]

Thanks for the advice on the radar, but I have simply decided to slow down considerably in the past few years.

Also, as a side note for those who have had obvious problems with me and my speeding, I give you this:

My friend at the DMV pulled my record for me at my wife's request. All my offenses have been for less than 10mph over the limit. Yeah, it is speeding, but I wasn't going mach one. That's 6 tickets for >10pmh and 1 for driving too fast for conditions. IMHO, that is subjective as well...

 

[41 magnum fan]

I am sorry for you.I hope that this works out for you.SLED must have had a change in managment.I have a fellow coworker that is in a similar situation.He had a CWP but was denied a new one when he tried to renew it.The reason stated for denial was that he commited a crime of "immoral ineptitude".His crime was writing a single bad check to Wal-Mart ten years ago.He made good on the check and never got arrested or even went to court over the matter.If you do not get your permit contact your county Sheriff and ask about becoming a reserve deputy.This would probably allow you to still be able to carry.Also you would earn a paycheck and get some Law Enforcement experience.In Saluda County all reserve deputy training is done here and does not require a trip to the academy.Another idea that would still allow you to carry some is to keep a valid hunting and fishing liscense.You can legally carry a handgun while hunting or fishing or travel to and from with a valid liscense.Just make sure that you have your hunting or fishing gear in your vehicle with you.

 

[Majic]

All my offenses have been for less than 10mph over the limit. Yeah, it is speeding, but I wasn't going mach one.

That's just like saying she's a little bit pregnant.
The officers do, at their discretion, write the summons for a lower speed to save you from the punishment of the actual speed you were clocked at. In other words they sometimes give you a little break.

 

[trfox]

USMCsilver: in regards to the numerous people here who so willingly condemn you and your speeding tickets, there will come a time when you and I can get together and laugh at them. Those times will be when they accidently write a bad check (happens to a lot of honest people) or get a DUI after attending a wedding and having only 2 beers or maybe a loud group of drunks hassles the family at a concert or Wal-mart parking lot and the present poster "with too much enthusiiasm "defends" the family, etc., etc. and then they get their CCW renewal denied. Trust me everyone, it WILL happen. Then USMCsilver you and I can grab a cup of coffee and laugh at those idiots.

BTW, I have only had 3 traffic tickets since 1966 and I presently have a permit to carry gun.So I am only sticking up for USMCsilver, not because of any personal feelling I have towards speeders, BUT BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO if the common citizen is going to have even a chance to keep government agencies in check.

 

[David W. Gay]

Letters and Radar Detectors

Greetings USMCsilver,

I have read the entire thread, and, If you don't mind, have a couple of suggestions regarding your situation.

First, in your letter to your Senator, (if it has not been sent) do not state: "The reason SLED is denying my renewal is due to excessive speeding tickets in the past. While I admit to having broken the law seven times while driving, my last infraction was in 2001. ".

A better statement would be, "Due to a recent change in policy, SLED has denied my CCW renewal due to several citations for speeding that I received many years ago. While I did not contest those citations, it has been well over 3 years since the last one was issued."

Do not state the number of citations, just the length of time since the last occurred. And NEVER "admit to having broken the law" in any form of written or oral communication.

Second, as for the advice on getting a radar detector - DO IT! Just as in carrying as gun raises your awareness of your surroundings and of your behavior, so does having a radar detector raise your awareness of your driving conditions and habits. It will pay for itself with the first time your speed is starting to creep up to +11 over the speed limit as you coast down some long hill on the highway.

In any case, good luck with your renewal.

Carry on!

 

[45King]

One of the times I was stopped for speeding was in Salley, SC, by a sheriff's deputy. I had a bit of a chat with him, and he informed me that most LEO's will stop speeders only if they're exceeding the speed limit by more than 10 mph on the open highway, or more than 4 mph in urban settings. There are, however, exceptions to every rule. Get a good detector, and it will indeed increase your situational awareness vis a vis speed limits.

 

[Wolfy]

pdmoderator you got a ticket for pumping yout own gas? I didn't think they really enforced that in NJ. What was the fine?

Being a fellow comrade of this state I am curious.

 

[Nathaniel Firethorn]

OT: Gas-pumping fiend wreaks havoc on PRNJ

Wolfy, I got away without the ticket, but got a stern talking-to about why "there's a reason you can't pump your own gas in New Jersey." * It was around Milford somewhere. I was in search of an Exxon station (I have their credit card) and spotted a station that appeared closed but the pumps were running. In a burst of reckless nihilism, I inserted card, inserted gas, and was preparing to depart, when out of nowhere appears (I am NOT making this up!)

Officer Bent.

Once again, proving that you don't have to be employed by the governor to get Bent in PRNJ.

- pdmoderator.

* Officer Bent was having trouble inventing one. Personally, I think it's so that the wankoids who want to give themselves a little thrill while they're filling your tank will have full employment. Yes, I've seen EXACTLY that happen in PRNJ, too.

 

[Wolfy]

I used to work for Wawa and it had gas pumps one of our customers was a fire marshall and he would come into the store yelling at us that customers were pumping there own gas. If he saw it happen again he would fine us our attitude was he needs to get a life. I would prefer to pump my own gas rather than have these guys force that last buck into the tank and half of it runs down the side of my truck.

 

[P95Carry]

can't pump your own gas in New Jersey

I really am - seriously - havin one heck of a hard time believing this is actually the case. It's ........ amazing. I don't think anyone has pumped gas for me in .. well .... not for last four years and ... that includes travelling last year thru MD, WV, KY, TN, AR, TX, CO, KS, MO, IL, IN, OH ....... shucks.

<dumbfounded>

 

[sumpnz]

Oregon also doesn't let you pump your own gas. Basically it's a make work scheem to reduce welfare numbers. In reality it has little to do with safety.

 

[RealGun]

pumping gas - deleted by poster - off topic

 

[Blackcloud6]

USMCSilver:

Have you yet talked to a lawyer? I've been watching this thread for awhile and it doesn'r seem like you have. You are fighting a legal battle against a system that holds the cards. Get a professional to help or you will certainly lose. Lawyers know the system, they now how to write the correct words and they may know a few tricks that you don't.

Alos, the leagl system looks down on those who fight on their own. That's the way it is, why put yourself at a further disadvantage.

 

[BlkHawk73]

Yeah, it is speeding, but I wasn't going mach one. That's 6 tickets for >10pmh and 1 for driving too fast for conditions.

So does this translate into it is ok to break the law so long as it's only by a little bit? I'm not in agreement with your denial of a permit, but it does seem that you've yet to take full responsibility for these past mistakes of yours.


Does this mean that it's ok to be a little drunk and still drive a vehicle as opposed to being really drunk and doing the same?
Once the police pull you over it's their discretion to issue a ticket. If they see that in the past you have similar incidents and tickets weren't apparently stopping you from this behavior, they'll issue them even for a small amount over the posted limit. If one is dumb enuff to not get the hint after 2 or 3, they deserve any more they get regardless of how much over the posted speed they were. The number of tix in such a short time shows some that there's some irresesponsibility there.
Takes years to build a good solid reputation but one a few small instances to destroy it. Seems like that is what was done here.

 

[trfox]

USMCsilver: Again, when some of the posters with a few tickets start getting denied a hunting license (for just one example) when this denial by SLED of your CCW license practice spreads to other states and other ways within your own state, I will have a good laugh. S-o-o-o many people cannot see the danger to the citizens contained in this brazen denial by SLED.

 

[ctdonath]

So does this translate into it is ok to break the law so long as it's only by a little bit?

Don't know what drivers are like where you live. Around here, if you consistently do the speed limit you become a road hazard. Only about 5% actually follow the posted speed limit.

There's something wrong with a law when most people violate it.

 

[Mad Man]

ctdonath

There's something wrong with a law when most people violate it.

September 5th, 2004 07:06 PM

Or:

"Rules are like currency. The more you make, the less they are worth."

BlkHawk73

Does this mean that it's ok to be a little drunk and still drive a vehicle as opposed to being really drunk and doing the same?

September 5th, 2004 01:35 PM

Yes (or more accurately, should be).


Traffic rules have less to do with safety than they do about revenue enhancement.

 

[Derek Zeanah]

To be honest, a lot of speed laws seem arbitrary. In Atlanta, most people would go 85 in the 55 zone downtown. If you decided to go 55, you were a hazard -- you could get ticketed for it, and you'd deserve it -- remember, speed doesn't kill, but speed differentials do.

The problem becomes one where the cop can pull you over because you're disobeying a speed limit or because you're following it. Then it can quickly become an issue of your race, the bumper stickers on your car, the color/model/modifications to your car, etc. Laws are often enforced arbitrarily and/or unfairly.

And for those posters who keep arguing that it's wrong to disobey any law, would they feel the same way if they were living in an age where mixed-marriages were illegal? Would they have enforced fugitive slave laws -- after all, they're law, right? Laws should be followed where they're rational, and when they promote justice. When they no longer do so, they should no longer be followed, and juries should refuse to convict.

Those of you who show a blind obedience to the law scare me more than the driving of the original poster ever would. Y'all are the type that......

Probably best to leave it here.

 

[Chris Rhines]

So does this translate into it is ok to break the law so long as it's only by a little bit?

If it's a law that restricts the initation of force (such as the laws against murder, rape, and theft), then no.

There are other laws that only restrict non-aggressive behaivor (speeding is an example, there are many others.) These laws are okay to violate all the time.

- Chris

 

[Majic]

In Atlanta, most people would go 85 in the 55 zone downtown. If you decided to go 55, you were a hazard -- you could get ticketed for it, and you'd deserve it

Now that would be interesting. Showing up in court with a ticket for obeying a posted law.

 

[NukemJim]

Now that would be interesting. Showing up in court with a ticket for obeying a posted law

Here in Illinois you can be ticketed if you are doing the speed limit say 55, there are cars behing you and you are in the left lane.

Basiclyl the legislature said it would be illegal not to disoby the law in that instrance :banghead:

NukemJim

 

[USMCsilver]

This is a post from Glock Talk

This was forwarded to me. Source is Gun Owners of South Carolina (the state NRA affiliate).

"Below is an announcement from GOSC. It is for your information.
If this is a step forward, it is a very small one. It may actually be a step backwards because it tends to legitimize SLED's use of arbitrary criteria. IMO, SLED's discretion needs to be taken out of the process. Until it is, SC will not be a true "shall issue" state.



SLED to Adopt New Standard

We have received numerous complaints about SLED denying CWPs to individuals with adverse driving records. According to complaints SLED has been rejecting applicants with more than six driving offenses in a 10-year period.

SLED broadly interprets the wording in the CWP law that requires them to issue permits upon completion of a "favorable" background check. They assert that an adverse driving record constitutes a less than favorable background and have denied permits using this reasoning.

Since first hearing of the problem several weeks ago GOSC has had regular contact with both SLED and the governor's office. On Friday afternoon the governor's office informed us that SLED has agreed to scale back its standard to a 5-year driving record.

Under the new guidelines more than six traffic offenses in 5-years will result in a CWP application being denied.

In a follow-up conversation today (9/13/04) the governor's office advises that SLED will be reviewing recent denials to find those that qualify for a CWP underthe new administrative standard. SLED will issue those permits in the very near future.

GOSC will continue to work with officials to improve procedures for issuing CWPs to qualified citizens.

 

[ScottsGT]

My good man, I think YOU are the catalyst for this action! I think you should skip the law enforcement career and go straight for politics!
But like the old saying goes, Politicians and police, those that WANT to serve shold not be allowed to serve!
Hey, not my saying, so don't flame me, guys!
Maybe a follow up to the good insulting senator? With one of these:

 

[Majic]

Here in Illinois you can be ticketed if you are doing the speed limit say 55, there are cars behing you and you are in the left lane.

There were old laws on the books (and may very well still be there) and also the rule of the road stated that the left lane on highways were for passing of slower traffic. If traffic passed on on the right then you weren't following the rule of the road. A lot of todays drivers seem not to know of this old rule.

 

[readyfire]

Good work USMC i read about your problems and was amazed,i am moving to SC in a month and was dissapointed at the way they handled your denial.I think you handled it great and you definately made a big enough stink to push em a bit to work on their policys.A big thanks is in order for sticking to your guns and fighting the fight.Good job,ill be a lot happier knowing that there working on this.