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Did something dumb: got pulled over with CCW

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by KBintheSLC, Jan 30, 2009.

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  1. Impureclient

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    I had something similar also happen to me. I was on the way home from an estimate and accidentally got a little close to a guy in a pickup truck. You know when the traffic slows a bit and you don't jam on the brake but kind of drift a little close to the person in front of you. I then let off the gas and coasted back to a reasonable distance. Then splat..:barf:....the guy spits a huge mouthful on my car and windshield. That was a mistake as I keep my car in pristine condition so I flew past him and brake checked him. Not just a run of the mill brake check but a few hard ones and then I stopped in a 6 lane road and sat for a few seconds. Everybody on the sides and behind also stopped and I imagine were wondering what was going on. I then proceeded to take off out of there with full throttle leaving him as a tiny dot in my mirror. He eventually caught up and then stayed close behind me a few cars back. Without thinking I turned onto my street and realized the nut was following me right to my house. I went past my house and parked in a neighbors diveway so he didn't know where I lived. Shouldn't have done that but when he turned down my street it caught me off guard as I believed we were even. Spit on car for hard brake check. He stops and yells out the window "Now I know where you live, I'll be back tonight to get you" or something to that effect. Then he quickly waved something that I thought was a gun in his truck at me. I was sitting in my car with my Sog tactical knife waiting for the nut to come at me in the car. I popped out and said "come on back", waving the knife and smiled. He then took off and I realized I can't let this guy really come back so I started calling 911 as he took off. I chased after him getting his plate number and wouldn't you guess it as we turn the corner from my street there is a state trooper at the scene of an accident. I don't know how I missed it on the way in. So the guy quickly stops there and jumps out yelling " He has a knife!" I jumped out too and said "he's got a gun." After searching the vehicle they didn't find a gun but he sure had something that he held like a gun and sure had a silhouette like one. Of course I didn't hide the knife and it was confiscated. In the end after she got both sides of the story she said neither one of us better make contact in any way or else theres going to be trouble. It turns out throwing anything or in this case spitting something at a vehicle that can be washed off is not illegal. The trooper said although not nice even an egg that can be washed off is OK. Funny, though if you spit on a cops car guess where you'll be spending the night with probably 10 tickets for anything/everything possible in the book.
     
  2. jad0110

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    Problem is you never know who is in the other car. They may not think it is even, not by a longshot.

    As with the OP, thank you for being honest and open with your mistakes. I certainly hope you learned from this experience. Think of it this way, what if the guy in the truck really did have a gun, and used it. Call me crazy, but some chew on your windshield aint worth trading your life for. As someone else posted, drive defensively. If you make a mistake (as we all do), best to hold up your hand in the universal "my bad" gesture and make eye contact. Reminds the other driver that you are human, which usually defuses the whole situation in the first place. Yeah, spitting crud on your car wasn't very high road, but neither was the stunt you pulled. If anything, just call his tag into the local PD or highway patrol next time.

    Best to always hold firmly onto your "mantle of innocence". You are less likely to provoke a violent attack this way, but if things do turn ugly you have a much better chance of staying a free, living man if you keep your cool and are forced to defend yourself. Imagine a situation like yours where two drivers get into a road rage incident. Driver A escalates this little escapade to the point that Driver B, fearing for his life, employs deadly force against Driver A. Was it self defense? Who knows, the waters are too muddied because Driver B may well have forfited his mantle of innocence by participating in the road rage to begin with. And if Driver A survives, he may well claim that he was only trying to defend himself from Driver B because he felt his life was in jeapordy. Not for me, no thank you.

    I know, some of you out there can't let such things go. You think "someone must teach this butthole a lesson"! Problem is, if the other person really and truly is a butthole, they probably aren't going to care much what you think or try to do to sway them. In fact, since they are a butthole, they are probably going to give you more crap than you want to deal with.
     
  3. sailortoo

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    The "confession" is a breath of fresh air, and thought provoking. However, there are some drivers out there that are not in control - at all - in the sense of alcohol or drugs. Those are the scary ones, and I had a recent non-contact, but threatening encounter on a local highway. I have to believe it was drug induced, as I, and nearby drivers, were all putting our hands up in a "***" was that! Sometimes, even if you are minding your own business, no "finger" signs or other overt taunts, the threat is still there, and is a valid reason to be armed. And for MacMac the biker - you guys scare the SH-- out of me - can't see you, and you guys LOVE to ride the line! Sorry if you feel threatened, but I try to get at least 3 cars away from a two-wheeler. I've been threatened by a biker & his "lady" in a parking lot in Moab, Utah, one time, just because I passed him to get away from him & her "playing games" with each other (traffic behind me). Just can't seem to win.
    sailortoo
     
  4. cassandrasdaddy

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    impure how many more incidents you got where the other guy was a fault? these things happen to you a lot? nice of you to bring the guy to your neighbors house
     
  5. TRGRHPY

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    cassandrasdaddy: In church, when someone answers the invitation song and asks for forgiveness, the members don't start blasting the person. The guy admitted to a mistake...let it go.
     
  6. fxstchewy

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    Since i got my CCW i am alot more laid back, I know what being involved in a altercation and me being CCW could lead to BIG problems for all, even for other CC'ers on this forum, all the "ammo" the brady bunch needs. when dumbies around do there thing i have just learned to take a deep breath and move on, hard to do sometimes though.
     
  7. Kat144

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    Wow, scary. I admit that if it were me, I'd have my hand on the gun as soon as the dude started walking up to my car (and once I got done screaming for him to get the f*ck away from me and my car, call the police for his threatening behavior)...people get killed that way for sure, and IMO you're lucky he didn't do anything (and, of course, he's lucky YOU didn't do anything--some day he's going to do that to the wrong person who DOESN'T control their gun).
     
  8. 76shuvlinoff

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    I always figure that if I'm carrying there's a good chance the other guy is too and he's probably a better shot. A gunfight over a traffic issue would be hard for the loved ones I left behind to understand.
    I too prefer to ride a motorcycle over being in a cage and I think that plus a cc make you appreciate that everyone else really is trying to kill you even if they don't know it.

    To the OP, thanks for the post.
     
  9. Mousegun

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    A lot of this stuff boils down to responsibility, the responsibility I have to each and every one of you and to all CCWers and the same responsibility you have to me.

    We are all under the microscope of the rest of the world. Our actions are watched and our movements are closely scrutinized by the lovely media and antis on a daily basis. When one of us does something off key, it reflects on the millions of us that are just chillin' out.

    When I got my permit, I lost a perceived right or two. The perceived right to bird another driver for doing something stupid. The perceived right to get in someone's face who obviously needed it. The perceived right to do anything during the course of a day, while carrying or not, that would in any way, jeopardize other CCWers if the media or authorities became involved.

    I have actually had people ask me, "why did you let that %*&##$% get away with that"? I sometimes had to remain quiet and other times had to remind them my "situation" does not allow me to force the issue on such trivia. That mostly depended on who I was talking to.

    It is important for me to live up to my responsibility to all of you.
     
  10. KSCCHTrainer

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    It's easy to get caught up in a road rage type situation when you are minding your own business and some I d 10 T does something really stupid and almost causes you to have an accident. Especially those that cut you off and then abrubtly slow down. If you hit them in the rear, no matter what, you are most likely to be held at fault because you "rear-ended" them.

    Sometimes, though, justice is served! Case in point, I was driving a service truck for a big electrical contractor here in Wichita, KS a few years ago. Wasn't carrying (we didnt have CCW and company policy was no guns in the truck) but sometimes wished I could due to "certain neighborhoods' reputations.

    I was in the right lane and just getting ready to take the off ramp from US54 onto I-135 Northbound to head for the shop when all of a sudden from 3 lanes to the left, this lady driving a brand new Chevy Suburban careens in front of me, cutting me off and taking the off ramp at an extremely high rate of speed. If I hadn't seen her out of the corner of my eye and hit the brakes, she probably would have hooked my front bumper, she was that close.

    The justice comes in because, 2 cars behind me was a Kansas state trooper who saw the whole thing. He hit the lights, and I immediately pulled over giving him room. He actually waved to me when he went around. The lady took the fairly sharp curve down the ramp fast enough to actually get that suburban up on 2 wheels! It was about 2 miles later when the trooper finally got her shut down, just before the exit I was planning on taking. When I went past, taking the exit, he waved again. Wish I could have heard what he had to say to the driver of that Suburban, and I'm sure he gave her a myriad of tickets.

    Don't happen often, but once in a great while the police ARE nearby when you need them.
     
  11. markfh

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    My dad taught me that it takes a big man to get into a fight and a bigger man to avoid one and yet even a bigger man to admit his fault.

    I think I understand your lapse though. I've found that since sometime before the election my temper has been more difficult to control.
     
  12. Impureclient

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    Cassandrasdaddy: PMS? Other than that incident I also had somebody pull a gun on me when I was younger because I was driving too slow. I posted a thread about it on here. Thanks for being concerned.
     
  13. EHL

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    You know, whenever I drive in Utah as well, I seem to wanna blow a missile at half the idiots on the road there too. I don't know if many of you fellas have driven in Utah like the OP was, but those drivers are downright moronic! I have lived in plenty of large cities before, but for some reason, Utah drivers are the worst when it comes to manners or courtesy on the road. Makes it real difficult to "suck it up" when you're carrying. Guess that's why I'd never live in Utah.:neener:
     
  14. Steel Talon

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    Thanks for posting your story (OP)

    Given your story, I think I'd quit carrying for a while to access myself a bit closer.

    You could cost yourself your ability to legally carry or own firearms. Even worse give up your freedoms to your state and become a guest at the pen.

    Good to hear it turned out well for you.
    ST~
     
  15. Rush

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    There's sheep, there's wolves, and then there's sheepdogs.
     
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    Rush:

    First, let me welcome you as a new member. This is a great community in which we all can give and take important information and useful opinions.

    Second (and I mean no personal offense), please allow me to gently chide you for the newbie "foo-pa" - i.e., including someone else's entire long post in a quote box and then indicating your agreement with it in the form of a somewhat trite comment that we've all heard a hundred times.
     
  17. jahwarrior

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    well, this only proves that you're a human being, emotional and fallible. just because you're a licensed carrier doesn't mean you automatically become this perfect human being, incapable of making mistakes.

    you got chewed out a little, and feel a little embarassed. no biggie. no one got hurt, and you went home, with your rights intact. live and learn.
     
  18. TRGRHPY

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    No, it doesn't make you incapable of making mistakes, it just makes most people think twice before they act. Is the situation really worth the risk of something bad happening? To me it's not. People can say whatever and flip me off all day, it's nothing that I haven't been called before by better people. :D

    Yes, I agree that some people need a good butt whoopin', but who wants to risk getting arrested just to give someone an attitude adjustment. And who says that you'll even win? You run the risk of getting your own butt handed to you, getting shot or stabbed, the other person taking your gun from you during the altercation, or just losing your right to carry and protect yourself against an actual threat one day.

    Besides, there too much in life to enjoy to be pissed off at every bad driver out there. Can I get a hug now? ...and some hot chocolate?:D
     
  19. t3rmin

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    This is not a jab at the OP. Just an aside.

    I see no direct correlation between loosing your cool and shooting somebody. That's an anti-gun myth. Nobody here is a murderer. Just 'cause you get pissed off while carrying doesn't mean you're going to start slinging lead. If you're prone to random murders, you've got bigger issues. We aren't just mindless slaves to emotion.

    I say go ahead and kick somebody's behind if it's appropriate (and I do believe there are times, although rare). Might want to put the gun away first so it doesn't fall out of your pants, though.
     
  20. Redneck with a 40

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    I had an incident along these lines, about 3 months ago. I'm driving home from work, I'm about 4 miles from the house, when I come up to a Toyota pickup, driving 35 mph in a 45 mph zone, I usually do 50 on this road. Since I'm close to the house, I just slow down and deal with it, I'm about 3 car length's behind this guy, not tailgating. I'm carrying my XD-40, as I always do. All of a sudden, this guy starts brake checking me, of course I am anticipating his action, so there was no accident. I get pissed and try to pass this guy, he speeds up, trying to deny me the pass, and then flips me off. I'm like ***? I was really pissed off and steamed, but I just let it go, deep breath's. That guy has serious issues, one of these days he will run into the wrong guy.
     
  21. KBintheSLC

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    Thanks for all of the great feedback folks. I appreciate the votes of confidence, constructive criticism, and suggestions.

    Having a CCW does not in any way make us less human, or less susceptible to the pitfalls of emotion. However, it does give us a greater reason to work rigorously to control our temperament.

    Luckily for me, this is not something that happens often... actually, this is the only such incident in the 2 years I have had my CCW permit. However, I do not take it lightly. I am glad that I had the opportunity to learn a valuable lesson without any major collateral damage... besides feeling like a mindless juvenile after coming to my senses.
     
  22. RaferJanders

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    Well, I can not say I do not get unhappy with poor operation of a motor vehical and I would be a lair if I not wish for the desinagration ray on my rig, But at 41 and a father of 4 I have to choose the High Rd. everytime and set the example for my daughters and son to follow, besides I have seen karma in action, and Man that fool will get his! You got really lucky my friend, LA they would have cuffed and stuffed and figured out how to charge you later!
     
  23. BBQLS1

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    Pride, sometimes you just have to swallow it.
     
  24. Davionmaximus

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    Best line I have ever heard on a thread : Quote:
    Find yourself a retired Crown Vitoria Police Interceptor; you will forget what road rage and stupid driving even look like. The highways are much more polite from behind the wheel of one of those.

    Wow....

    Yeah, it is easy to loose your cool. Sounds like you learned something out of it all. And reminded us all of the tightrope we all must walk ;)
     
  25. Zach S

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    You know, I got cut off by a ricer a few years ago. He then responded to me driving in his road by giving me the finger.

    Instead of giving him the finger back, I stuck my tongue out and blew a raspberry while shaking my head. I have no idea what possessed me to do that, however I am somewhat thankful for whatever it was...

    While he was looking at me like "***?" he drove into the ditch. Had it been a few years earlier, I would have stopped and made sure he wasn't okay.

    Having a gun is like having a kid. Changes everything. I used to fight 95% of the time that I got the chance, and when they'd try to walk away I wouldn't give them the chance. In the time I've been carrying (almost 5 years), I've been in one, and was asking him to walk away with every chance I got. If he wasnt between the door and myself, I would have walked.

    Its a little ironic when you think about it, but carrying a pistol is excellent anger management.
     
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