Diference between .454 casull and 45-70

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I am wondering about the diferences, balistically between these two calibers when fired form a short barreled carbine. specifically the puma '92 in 454 or the marlin guide gun in 45-70. I have seen alot about the 45-70 cartridge, but I know almost nothing about the .454.
Just curious.
 
I think you know more than you are letting on :D
When used in say, 22" barrel lever action carbines and loaded with 300 grain bullets and middle of the chart load data the figures are very similar.
The 45-70 will do it with less pressure but the Casull will do it more efficiently.
Did you know the .500 S&W is a ballistic duplicate of the, depending on the bullet weight used, .50-70 Govt or the .50-90 and .50-110 Express Winchester rifle cartridges?
Same game with the Casull, same power level but less ranging capability as an early rifle cartridge in in handgun size platform.
Brilliant concept actually.

The .45-70 will make the .454 Casull look like an experimant gone bad when you look at true long range rifle ballistics using heavy spire point bullets and controlled powder charges.
Of course these are single shot or magazine fed bolt action loads, not true lever rifle loads.

In other words, a fast handling, controllable, lever action, heavy timber rifle would be about the same ballistically in either caliber.

The nod still goes to the .45-70 if longer ranging, more powerful loads are desired.

Why would anybody chamber the .454 Casull in a single shot rifle when we still have the excellent .45-70?
I'm not going to sell my 1886 lightweight or my single shot .45-70s and buy a .454 Casull rifle but that's me.
Does this answer your question?
 
You confirmed my suspicions. It seems that I would prefer the .454 for two reasons: Capacity and the ability to use .45 colt soft loads.
 
i kind of want one just so the wheel Gun and the lever gun would be same ammo less to worry about packing...

I also thing the 45-70 is a way better cartridge in a Ruger #1 or a Tc Encore where you can really load it up and use better bullets than just the flat points regulated by a lever gun.
 
Was laughing with dad and told him i was gonna buy it for my ccw piece man that looks sweet but ummm the recoil when stoked with 454 loads :evil:
 
Anyone know if the Puma cycles fine with .45 colts in it? I too would like to have a .454/.45 colt combo of a 5" or 4" Taurus Raging Bull and Legacy Sports/Puma levergun. Oooh, that would be nice.
 
IIRC Paco Kelly did a review of the 454 Puma including 45 LC, Google it. I would but am at work and they block most gun related stuff.
 
I checked...

Hope this table attaches OK:
(OK, it didn't. PM me and i'll send it)

So with the lighter projectiles, the 454 and 45-70 seem comparable to a point. But looking over the 45-70 loaded to the current max commercial loads of:

Buffalo Bore 8D 500gr FMJFN @ 1625 fps (in carbine), and
Cor-Bon 460gr HC @ 1650 fps, and
Garrett Cartridge 500gr Exiter @ 1530 fps, and
Garrett Cartridge 540gr SHC @ 1550 fps!

And you get power that the 454 cannot (yet?) seem to touch.





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