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dimples on 223 shoulders - HELP!

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by OleEd, Sep 7, 2011.

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  1. OleEd

    OleEd Member

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    I have the lee classic and trying to reload 223s. Since new to reload rifle rds I need help. To date I've only done handgun rds -- lots.

    I am following Lee die instructions with the Speer+Lyman manuals for resizing. Doing the lube bit with RCBS +2 lube on body only making sure I don't get it on the shoulder and neck. Brushed out the inside of neck too. I have done about 10 rds and EACH ONE has 1 or two dimples next to each other. Have tried to adjust the sizer as stated to include unscrewing the sizer twice a bit less than the 1/4 turn but a no go.

    Please suggest, I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. NCsmitty

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    Too much bullet lube, you will need to wipe the inside if the FL die, and use less lube. The dimples will be gone when you fire the case.



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  3. EMC45

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    Too much lube= Hydraulic denting.
     
  4. rcmodel

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    Lube, and then wipe off as much lube with your hand as you can.
    What remains is still more then enough lube.

    You do need some lube on the neck & shoulder.
    Just not that much!

    You will also need to clean the excess lube build-up out of your sizing die before the dents go away.

    rc
     
  5. brickeyee

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    If there is excessive lube on the body of the case it ends up moving towards the shoulder, and as the neck makes contact is accumulated on the shoulder and you get the dents.
     
  6. MtnCreek

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    More info please. I don't lube shoulders or the outside of necks. I can see why lube on the outside of the neck could be beneficial, but I don't understand why it would be needed on the shoulders.

    Thanks!
     
  7. rsrocket1

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    You really don't need any on the shoulders since the die is only pressing the shoulder down if anything. Not much pressure there. If you disassemble your die, you'll probably see a nice deposit of lube pressed into the shoulder area from the body. There is supposed to be a hole for air to escape as the body is being squeezed into the die. That's usually where the lube gets trapped and eventually rammed into the shoulder.
     
  8. sixgunner455

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    Just lube the inside of the neck, and the outside of the body. Clean the inside of the sizing die, and then you should be good to go.

    Don't put so much lube on the case next time. Experiment with how much you put on it. Some amounts, you will find run easily through the die, but leave dents. Some won't leave dents, but you fight to get the ram up and down. Find the middle - runs up and down easily, but not so much that it loads up the die and leaves dents.

    The cases you've loaded with dents will still fire just fine. If you keep doing that, though, they will likely get metal fatigue there sooner than later.
     
  9. EMC45

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    I like Imperial for this reason. I used to get dents using RCBS lube (and too much). I started using Imperial and it works perfect! I get my thumb and forefinger barely covered (not even shiny) with the Imperial and lube about 3-4 cases and then I tap my finger back into the dish and lube some more.
     
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    Yep, hydraulic dents. Clean the die out and run a paperclip thru the vent hole. Go buy a can of Imperial Sizing Wax and go easy on it. That small tin will last a long time.
    Oh yeah, load em and shoot em, the dents will blow out.
     
  11. bbuddtec

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    dont mind me i was thinking neck not shoulder./.
     
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    I use RCBS case lube 2 because a damp rag will take it off. I use a lube pad to apply the lube. I rub the lub into the pad and let it sit a day or two before using it. There should be no puddles of lube on the pad. I roll about ten cases across the lube pad at once. There should be a very light coat of lube on the cases. I make a small spot which is very rich with lube and quickly dip a case mouth in the spot about every 3rd one. This keeps the size button happy.

    Getting dents one the shoulder is a sign of too much lube. All is not lost as the dents should fireform out when fired. ( If your dents are huge, then I would not be so quick fire forming.
     
  13. gamestalker

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    Yep, lube dents. But on another note, I saw that you stated your not using any lube on the neck. You need to lube the inside and outside of the neck and the body of the case. And if your over lubing the case you'll wind up with lube dents, that's why I switched to a spray on lube, I don't have to worry about lube on the neck once I allow it to dry for a few minutes.
     
  14. Eb1

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    to much lube as said. Just shoot them.
     
  15. OleEd

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    Thanks all for the replies. Cleaned the die and trying again.
     
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    +1 for Imperial

    it doesn't take much
     
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