Dirt bag ruined this morning's hunt.....!

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We should not be draging politics into this but Edmund Burke, a member of Parlement at the time of the American Revolution and a supporter of American independence, made the point that the best way to keep RIGHTS was to use them wisely.

The fact that our RIGHTS preexisted government does not mean that we can not lose them to government.

As for the guy who shot the hog........well we may have beat that horse to death.....probably never agree as we're focusing on different aspects of the thing.

And I'm sure the anti-hunters love it when we go at each other like this.

And no, I never expected the post to get this out of hand. You would of had to be there.............you'd feel somewhat different. Maybe not about the HOGS but at least about the fact of him being wrong.
 
Hogs, Coyotes, are on the same rank as Rats to me so I don't consider this waste so I'm not gasping in disdain for the other hunter. I'd have let dead piggies lie and enjoyed my day. If it is truly illegal to whack and stack pigs on this WMA then that is a bad policy. If you've ever seen the kind of damage feral hogs can do to a habitat then you'd have been hugging the other hunter instead of jumping on your High Horse.

I also want to know if you've tried to eat Old Wild Boar?--It's nasty and a waste of good barbecue sauce at best.

I think the moral of this story is that when you think someone is a Dirt Bag not everyone will concur.

This thread also remind me of Muay Thai vs. Boar...:evil:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=409071&highlight=thai+boar
 
Of a couple of hundred wild hogs I've had the privlage of eating portions of over the last 40 years the only one that had a off taste was a large sow. She was only a few days at best from birthing and her milk glands we oozing. Maybe that had something to do with it.

Beyond that they have all been good.

It comes down, as with deer, to how you handle the game.

And truth be know a medium sized wild hog is a better eating animal than a deer. Not that we would ever turn down a deer.
 
After reading all of this........

I'll say this: I don't think many dis-agree with the O.P.'s moral stance...some do, but I think most are bothered by either how the story was relayed or how the "confrontation" actually took place (If it was as reported).

You can be right, but still be wrong. Again without being there it sure sounds like this was handled poorly. :scrutiny: Nothing personal here, don't know you; but It sounds like your ready to ask for the death penalty if they are found to have killed and abandoned that hog.

"A man convinced against his will, is of his opinion still" :rolleyes:
 
Lots of folks hunt them here.

Season is long, Septemeber to March, and numbers are fairly stable.

During small game season, when hogs are still legal on the WMAs, there will be more folks than you'd expect out hunting them. Those folks would not characterize them as a problem. But then we have no farms in the area for them to trash.

It's just not the same situation.............
 
Might be right about not handeling it as well as I could but once his buddy started getting beligerent as I'm giving FWC their tag numbers and descriptions.............it was hard to remain calm.

Would it change his situation if I'd been sneaky and asked a bunch of question and written down his tag number and then called FWC as soon as I got around the corner?

He'd still be wrong in his illegal act.

And yes that would have been a better way to handle it in that he'd of not known for certian who turned him in. And I'd not have to worry that he'll trash my truck while we're in the woods.

None of that would change the fact it was a hog though...........

Hindsight is perfect and dealing with unfamilar situations is never perfect but it needed to be reported and was.
 
or the fact that hunting a state WMA is hardly paying "good money" to hunt
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Im going to have to disagree here, many Florida hunters, myself included, do pay good money to hunt public land, maybe not directly, but many hunters do not have the luxury of living near a WMA, myself included. That means that i drove close to 100 miles round trip to my WMA, for 3 days. That, in my opinion, uses good money in gas and vehicle wear.

on the topic at hand, i think that not retrieving an animal in a WMA is disrespectful to the other hunters that may have never hunted before and have to try and outhunt the many other (sometimes hundreds) of hunter on the same WMA
 
Might be right about not handeling it as well as I could but once his buddy started getting beligerent as I'm giving FWC their tag numbers and descriptions.............it was hard to remain calm.
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indeed. I don't blame them at all. As I stated, the only thing I suspect that isn't funny about this to the FWS guys is the fact that you seemed to go out of your way to provoke a hostile armed conflict.
 
bswlv, how may acres is this area you're talking about? Just wandering. I don't believe in wasting game either, but I've never prescribed to the philosophy of turning people in to authorities unless it's very serious. I realize that people's moral compasses vary and what's important to some isn't to others. I just have a live and let live idea of life. Surely you don't just have one hunting spot do you? I understand your concern for wasting. I was taught if you killed it, you ate it, but I also agree that hogs need to be killed. I'm not throwing any stones, but I respectfully disagree with turning them in.
 
Managing hogs by hunting? I'd like to see that, there just aren't enough hunters that are serious about it to make any real dents in the grand scheme of things.

At one point, I thought seeing hogs was cool, and that they are fun to hunt. Now after dealing with them and watching my deer and turkey leave to go to prairie habitat that isn't hog friendly, I'm becoming miffed.

Once you get em, you can't get rid of them, you can just keep trapping and killing them until they become a manageable number.

On that note, I need to catch some sleep, I'm going out to go exterminate some hogs. Got an old boar and what looks like an escapee sow that need killin, and hopefully I can get a doe to eat as well.
 
Amazing...it seems like most of you don't even read the original post and just pile on.

It's Florida...not Arkansas.

It's a wildlife management area...not open range or private land.

In Missouri feral hogs can be shot on sight - open season.
But even if you don't want to eat 'em, why would you just leave them lying in the mud? Just nasties the place up in my opinion, and if I had to pay to hunt on the WMA, I'd be mad too!

Good on you, sir.
 
It still seems like there may have been a violation waiting to happen. Until they were in the truck with all their gear rolling down the road, they had not abandoned anything. Is it possible, the first trip to the truck was to hump all the gear and rifles. Wait for daylight, breakfast, bio break, and then get back to the task of gutting and hauling a big nasty beast out of the woods. Since I don't eat pigs, rats or snakes, I wouldn't be worried about the meat going bad. The dogs will eat day old meat just fine. I agree with the title of your post but may not agree on who's hunt was ruined by a dirt bag.
 
"One guy points to the other and says, "He did". A few more words were exchanged as I dialed the FWC and gave the license plates of both vehicles. The guy who had done the shooting looked ghost white at being caught. The other guy got belligerent.

After giving them a ear full about wasting what belonged to ALL of us (PUBLIC LAND!) I walked off down the road with the belligerent one following."

Read that again....................

And let me reiterate: They ADMITTED that they had no intention of going and getting the hog!!!

If you can't grasp the idea and get past the HOG part and see the real issue then........well then I'm at a loss.
 
"I will never kill an animal, in sport, that I do not intend to eat myself or provide as food for someone else"

So who's gonna eat the: raccoon, opossum, armadillo, beaver, skunk and nutria that are killed in Florida with no bag limits?

My interpretation of the wma brochures sitting by my computer are that Hogs in Florida can be killed by any means available during any season that is open without any bag or possession limits.

I also don't think that the hunter had abandoned the hog...I mean he was still there. Maybe he was looking for help since most wma's don't let you take a 4 wheeler on them?

I was with a friend one time in a WMA north of Jacksonville (I forget the name) we were small game hunting in a swamp up to our calves deep. We ran upon some hogs and he said he was going to take a shot. I told him, ok...if you do...just know now that I'm not going to help you quarter or carry some smelly muddy hog 2 miles through this swamp back to my truck. If it doesn't fit in my gamebag then I'm not shooting it.

He still reminds me of that to this day. Gutting a hog is not fun. I imagine the hunter in question was with his buddies begging for help and explaining why he shot a hog instead of a deer and catching hell for it...
 
Read that again....................
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Read it again. You said nothing above about them admitting that they had no intention to get the hog. That just seems to be your interpretation.

After what happened with Vang in Wisconsin, I think I would be a bit hesitant to verbally confront other hunters unknown to me about what I think is right or wrong.
 
They can be a real pain to drag out. I only shoot them when I know I can drive my tractor in to pick them up.
 
It was not my "interpertation".

And realize this.

That hog was laying there UNGUTTED not 25 yards from his stand in full view. It was stiff, already bloated, so it had been dead at least a couple of hours.

And know this too. When I asked "Who shot the hog." There was no return question as to where I found it, no statement of them having looked for it, no request for me to show them where it was so they could retrieve it.

Finally said he shot it last night but that it was "probably" still good.

Folks they had abandoned that hog regardless of what benifit of a doubt you may want to allow. You were not there talking to them and you did not see the circumstances.

You may not care that they wasted the animal, because it was a hog.

But you should darn well care that they did not care about the rest of the hunters on that WMA and their rights.

And you may not like the idea that someone might rat you out when you do a misdeed but it's a sure thing you'd rather hunt around folks that you know will toe the line.

As for turning a blind eye to things.........that sort of thinking only emboldens those who break the rule and disreguard the reat of us. You may not have the courage for it but some of us do.
 
Well, here's a thanks from another Florida hunter. Truly, it's a sorry SOB that'l pop an animal in such a fashion on such an area and just let him lay.

At the very LEAST, that fool has destroyed his stand site.........and by the way, for those of you out or staters, hogs on areas that're managed by the FWC may well enjoy the SAME status as formally declared game animals like deer and turkey!

I despise unethical hunters, they are in truth no less than thieves. I once nearly caught a full charge of buck from a 16 year old that dropped a small doe our group's dogs were running that I'd just let go by...........I took that kid's shotgun and as I was then a deputy sheriff, held him for the GFC officer. That kids entire family had a culture of killing anything that moved and felt they could not be stopped, of course being a kid he basically skated on the wildlife violation, but it DID succeed in getting that bunch out of that WMA...........

By the way, where're you hunting, the old Relay tract?
 
Hogs, Coyotes, are on the same rank as Rats to me so I don't consider this waste so I'm not gasping in disdain for the other hunter. I'd have let dead piggies lie and enjoyed my day. If it is truly illegal to whack and stack pigs on this WMA then that is a bad policy. If you've ever seen the kind of damage feral hogs can do to a habitat then you'd have been hugging the other hunter instead of jumping on your High Horse.
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That pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter as well. It may be illegal but that just means there is one more stupid law I didn't know, I wouldn't mind if they made a law stating that you must shoot at a hog every time you see one. The only thing I would add is if it was close to a stand, get it far enough away so the smell want make the area unhuntable.
 
man... a couple hudred pigs eaten, and they've all been good?

I've walked up to hogs I've shot and couldn't stand to get within 10 feet of them.

pigs are not game animals, they are pests. They are destructive. would you have been upset if he shot a ratr and left it laying there? I realize in some parts fo the world, rats are eaten, but not everyone eats rats...

The only fault I see here is the guy not dragging it off... however, since maybe you were hunting in "his" spot, I'm still having a hard time understanding how he ruined your hunt.

There was obviously a hunting area that had been set up by this other pig killing guy, that you stumbled upon.

just from the outside looking in.... maybe you ruined their hunt because you were walking all around their stand area? Maybe that's why the guy was beligerant
 
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There are things to do with meat if you yourself do not want it... there are donation programs everywhere... Drop off the animal it is processed and distributed at no cost to you... what is so difficult about that? does it take to much work to gut it and drop it off at some point in the day? really?

In the end, I just see no reason to waste such a thing.. pest or not it is 100+ pounds (in many cases) of useable food.


in this case what the guy did (and admitted to doing) was just plain illegal on top of being immoral IMO (yes my opinion... like it or not.)

Was the confrontation a good idea... one guy with a gun telling another guy with a gun how wrong he was? ...probably not.

Take away HOG and rewrite the confrontation to a pleasant conversation..."hey, who killed the hog?" "That would be my friend Bo." "Nice one Bo, you gonna use it?"
"na... shot it last night, figured I would let the critters get it..." and write down the make, model, tag, and description as the guy leaves...

Does that work for ya?
 
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