Disarm the Negros

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I think I will share this at work today with some of my co-workers who are black and think gun control is okay.
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They liked it. We had a good discussion on voting rights of the day and the lack of a real education system for blacks up until the late 60s. One has a son at Westpoint. He made it clear that if he had grown in up in North Carolina in 1959 that would never have happened. Certainly no Southern Senator would have sponsored a black teen to go to the academy.

It sure got the wheels turning on gun control.
 
Titan6 ~

Excellent.

That's the way the world is changed, one person at a time.

pax
 
Owen Sparks said:
A friends wife used to teach in Memphis…
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I’m confused how this can be related in any way to the topic. I’m almost afraid to think of how ‘low road’ your intentions are with this.

45-nut said:
In before the lock!
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Is there a reason for this? Do you have anything constructive to add?

I thought this was an interesting historical perspective on gun control in the South, and in many ways it parallels gun control all over the country today. It seems like a lot of laws that infringe on our natural rights, not just gun ownership, were the result of either a knee-jerk reaction to some catastrophic event, or enacted ‘for the greater good’. The latter seem to come from people who feel they are privileged in some way.
 
Wow, a really great read. Quite convincing, no nonsense, no firey rhetoric, it's all fact and has been properly and cleared cited.
 
Originally Posted by Owen Sparks
A friends wife used to teach in Memphis…

I’m confused how this can be related in any way to the topic. I’m almost afraid to think of how ‘low road’ your intentions are with this.

The obvious point it that anything that shoots, is sharp or is longer than it is wide, can be misused in order to harm others. Inner city violence is epidemic and it's not because of the availability of weapons, it is because of the way people behave.

OS
 
Owen Sparks said:
The obvious point it that anything that shoots, is sharp or is longer than it is wide, can be misused in order to harm others. Inner city violence is epidemic and it's not because of the availability of weapons, it is because of the way people behave.
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Your point, if there is one, is not obvious, in fact it’s completely indistinct. What does the availability of weapons, guns or pointy things, have to do with (the topic) the origins of gun control in the south?
 
I don't know how to use the 'quote' feature, but if anyone is interested in reading a concise obversation on firearm restrictions, I'd like to recommend they see the post by Mr. Keenan on 24 August 2007.

I have it bookmarked but do not have the skills to make it part of this post.

Its a good read and well worth your time.

salty.
 
Mainsail,
Black people are statistically more prone to violence than Asians or whites.
Areas like South Central Los Angeles or Watts are riddled with incidences of black on black violent crime. This is a fact. In the past, some Southern states have used this behavior as an excuse to deny black people their second amendment rights.
Now, the Reverend Jackson want to use this misconduct by some as an excuse to deny everyone including you and me the right to bear arms.

OS
 
NC requires a pistol purchase permit for handgun purchases... again started as a way for local sheriffs to control who could get guns, they were largely denied to blacks in the past
 
Anyone that is interested in the history of culture in America from the beginnings to today should obtain a copy of Thomas Sowell's "Black Rednecks and White Liberals". Well documented and a good read.

The book covers a lot of what is in this thread.
 
Why are people not coming out against gun control from the civil rights issue more? Seems to me it has historical basis and everything.
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It is happenning and more and more IMO. The first reaction antis usually have is to scoff and say it is ridiculous to associate civil rights causes with gun rights, but when history is exposed to them they have a tough time scoffing with credibility.
Listing examples of guns used to good effect by minorities during the civil rights movements of the fifties and sixties seems to make them rethink their attitude. A few are like Condoleeza Rice's story about her minister father using guns to fend off the local KKK, or about the Deacons for Defense and Justice helping to protect civil rights freedom marchers from Klan attacks and armed oppression.
Also when I point them to the compilation of historic racist gun laws made by this man http://www.blackmanwithagun.com/site/dbpage.asp?page_id=140000780&sec_id=140000845 it becomes even harder for the antis.

I live in MD and right next to Washington DC. In Washington the handgun ban occurred right at the point the demographics of the city started to become minorities in the population the majority.
In MD there is often a call for more gun control or bans in the name ending the killing of African-Americans, but that is easily countered by pointing out that the law abiding minorities among those communities have a civil and human right to defend themselves in an area where they just pointed out violent crime is rampant and a gun ban will deny them this civil right.
I always ask them why they want to make it easier for innocent, law abiding minorities to be murdered and they always change the subject or shut up. It is an excellent and powerful argument because it is an honest one.
 
every one sees in color these days, no matter the proublum, (first take the blacks guns) now they want them all, the hunters, the target shooters, the collectors, they want them all! they can not have mine! i heard one time from a older man, that thats why the japs didnt invade the usa in ww2, other than hawaii , sullivans hollow mississippi ! my great great uncle wild bill sullivan would not have put up with it!:D he was king of the hollow! csa
 
Calling On Owen to Defend the Theory

I know the rule on THR is to attack the argument, so I'm going to ask mr. Owen to defend his last post about South Central LA etc.

According the US Department of Statistics the population density for those of African American decent is in the South East. Not the south west. While I'm not trying to pretend there are no black people in LA if your theory that "Blacks are historically more prone to violence" St. Louis and Atlanta would be a bloodbath daily. Just a thought.
 
Almost all gun control laws in early America were racially motivated. The first laws to disarm African Americans originated in Virginia in 1639. Many other states followed suit.

ALL persons except negroes to be provided with arms and ammunition or be fined at pleasure of the Governor and Council.

Source: Virginia Slavery Act X (1639–40), reprinted in Statutes at Large; Being a Collection of all the Laws of Virginia, ed. William Waller Hening, vol. 1 (Richmond, Va.: Samuel Pleasants, 1819–23), 226.
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In 1680, they passed another set of laws which specifically forbade slaves from owning ANYTHING that could be considered a weapon.

June 1680 - 32nd Charles II, Act X, 2.481.
An act for preventing Negroes Insurrections.
WHEREAS the frequent meeting of considerable numbers of negroe slaves under pretence of feasts and burialls is judged of dangerous consequence; for prevention whereof for the future, Bee it enacted by the kings most excellent majestie by and with the consent of the generall assembly, and it is hereby enacted by the authority aforesaid, that from and after the publication of this law, it shall not be lawfull for any negroe or other slave to carry or arme himselfe with any club, staffe, gunn, sword or any other weapon of defence or offence...

Source: William Waller Hening, The Statutes at Large; Being a Collection of all the Laws of Virginia, from the First Session of the Legislature in the Year 1619, (New York: R & W & G. Bartow, 1823). VOLUME I.
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and again in 1705...

October 1705 - 4th Anne. CHAP. KLIX. 3.447.
An act concerning Servants and Slaves.
XXXV. And also be it enacted, by the authority aforesaid, and it is hereby enacted, That no slave go armed with gun, sword, club, staff, or other weapon…

Source: William Waller Hening, The Statutes at Large; Being a Collection of all the Laws of Virginia, from the First Session of the Legislature in the Year 1619, (New York: R & W & G. Bartow, 1823). VOLUME I.
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Now, I'm not picking specifically on Virgnia, it was just that it is easier to find records for their early laws than it is for other states. It is very likely that most other states passed similar legislation.

After the Civil War, another spate of gun control acts came into being, specifically designed to disarm blacks and keep them from resisting the oppression that continued in the South under Jim Crow laws. Here's an example from Mississippi:

Mississippi Black Code of 1865

Penal Code
Section 1. Be it enacted by the legislature of the state of Mississippi, that no freedman, free Negro, or mulatto not in the military service of the United States government, and not licensed so to do by the board of police of his or her county, shall keep or carry firearms of any kind, or any ammunition, dirk, or Bowie knife; and, on conviction thereof in the county court, shall be punished by fine, not exceeding $10, and pay the costs of such proceedings, and all such arms or ammunition shall be forfeited to the informer; and it shall be the duty of every civil and military officer to arrest any freedman, free Negro, or mulatto found with any such arms or ammunition, and cause him or her to be committed for trial in default of bail.

Source: Laws of the State of Mississippi, Passed at a Regular Session of the Mississippi Legislature, held in Jackson, October, November and December, 1965, Jackson, 1866, pp. 82-93, 165-167,
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These are just the examples I've been able to find so far. Gun control has a very long racist legacy. Its not surprising, considering the fact that gun control is primarily used to prevent people from resisting against oppression, and African Americans have long had ample reasons to try and resist.
 
.Black people are statistically more prone to violence than Asians or whites.
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Attitudes like this don't help either. Even these days you see this false dichotomy and wonder where it comes from. May as well say that people with guns are more much more likely to commit murder as most people who are murdered are killed by people with guns.

I have known many black people and they don't seem anymore (or less) prone to crime than any other race. Maybe there are other factors involved here when dealing with crime that have nothing to do with skin pigmentation or genetics.
 
Racism.

Oleg has remarked on this.

Here's one:
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. . . and another . . .
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. . . there's more . . .
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. . . I could go on . . .
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. . . but what would that prove?

Gotta control them guns.
 
Regolith- Most of your citations while valid, were enacted prior to the current constitution and the 2A. There was no right to arms or right to refuse to bear arms. People were subjects, not citizens.
 
Regolith- Most of your citations while valid, were enacted prior to the current constitution and the 2A. There was no right to arms or right to refuse to bear arms. People were subjects, not citizens.
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Doesn't matter. My purpose wasn't to show violations of the Second Amendment, but rather to draw a correlation between gun control and racism. The fact is that every North American gun control law I can find prior to the 20th century was specifically aimed at a certain ethnic group in order to prevent armed resistance to systematic, state sanctioned oppression.
 
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