Disarm the Negros

[ZeroJunk]

Blacks are 8.2 times more likely to be incarcerated than whites.

Is it racist courts?
Is it racist to point it out?
Is it still a factor in gun control laws today?


Be politically correct at all cost.Shoot the messenger.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

ZeroJunk

Dude.

Race doesn't cause crime.

Use your head.

Think.

If you ponder it a bit, some other possibilities will present themselves.

There are other causes and effects here.

Race is not a cause.

It may be involved in creating the conditions where crime is much more likely. But that requires some actual thought.

 

[Titan6]

Shoot the messenger.

What a strange thing to post.

Be politically correct at all cost.

Maybe it is not about being politically correct but more thinking logically. When you say that blacks are 8.2 times more likely to be incarcerated than whites is that just in the US or is that worldwide? The reason I ask is because if it is just in the US by any significant margin then the answer to this:

Is it racist courts?

Is almost certainly yes. But, still may not be the cause.

Is it racist to point it out?

Of course not.

Is it still a factor in gun control laws today?

Why don't you read some more posts in this thread to make that call. There is plenty of info right here.

 

[Nix]

lol anyone who actually believes that race doesnt play a part in a lot of violent crimes is a fool. Look up violent crimes and the race of the perp. more than half of the time a member of the african american community is at fault. Thats a community that only makes up 11% of the total population of the united states. You can only blame racist courts and police to a certain point and then you have to begin to take responsibility as a race. This entire country is so damned afraid to say the truth.

The truth is that many african americans were given poor role models (if any) were lacking good family values and are more prone to violence. There are COUNTLESS studies proving the FACT that african americans are more prone to the "fight" than the "flight" option. People are different, and race is not simply defined by the color of the skin. You can tell someones race by his bones as well. If the bones are different then is it not possible that the mental makeup is as well? Why do you think the suburbs with mainly white people is close to violent crime free, where areas with high african american concentrations is high in violent crime?

its been said to look outside the united states... ok. name one african american majority country that is not "third world country" status.

Don't even try and blame slavery, thats a cop-out. whites were the first slaves (look it up) and most white people bounced back quite well i think.

This worlds problem is that everyone either wants to BLAME race or completely ignore it. Maybe we need to recognize our differences and realize that people are different and address things from there. Why do you think that successful african americans are often insulted by their old friends? their families even? (dont tell me it doesnt happen i have a lot of friends who have gone through this)

Look at who african americans have as their role models... rappers that talk about shooting people, basketball players that rape girls, boxers that rape and the list goes on. The problem is that the WRONG people are idolized. How many brave cops, firemen, security guards (dont diss a security guard many of them have saved lives) are there out there? How many amazing african american, proud african american men are there out there... and they are not idolized, they are not put onto the news.

there are many people to blame but i honestly think a large part of it goes with the parents and the media.

 

[xpun8]

Bluntly: Race doesn't cause crime.

Look for another cause.

'Cuz that ain't it.

True that. True causes of crime are probably harder to relate to any ONE thing and not really on topic here. On topic-early gun control and race. Not that gun control isn't a crime, in the Brady's case it may even be a hate crime.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

I know. It is a combination of revolving door sentencing combined with a socio economic system that almost expects people to commit crimes instead of rise above their surroundings. Add in a glorification of crime and drug use. Mix with laws aimed at modifying behavior instead of actual punishment of serious crimes. Throw in a hint of blaming the man instead of taking responsibility for your actions. Race has nothing to do with it. A history of discrimination and a lack of past wealth in this country just throws statistics towards those with darker skin.

 

[k_dawg]

Regolith:

I agree.

I have long considered that those who fight against our basic human rights today, are no different than those in the past who fought against the basic human rights of women, blacks, hispanics, etc before.

The Brady Campaign are the modern KKK.

 

[xpun8]

Re: Nix

lol anyone who actually believes that race doesnt play a part in a lot of violent crimes is a fool. Look up violent crimes and the race of the perp. more than half of the time a member of the african american community is at fault. Thats a community that only makes up 11% of the total population of the united states. You can only blame racist courts and police to a certain point and then you have to begin to take responsibility as a race. This entire country is so damned afraid to say the truth.

I think I understand what you are saying, BUT you are not "proving" race is the reason the crime was committed, there are other stats you don't list. How many criminals: came from single parent homes? poverty? addictions that needed to paid for? and so on

The truth is that many african americans were given poor role models (if any) were lacking good family values and are more prone to violence.

This could be said about anyone regardless of skin color.

There are COUNTLESS studies proving the FACT that african americans are more prone to the "fight" than the "flight" option.

What about people, regardless of color, that are from a large metro area versus people from the sticks? There are environmental variables effecting this as well. I grew up in a town that's population was 70% white 25% Indian and 5% anything else, the actual black population was made up of college kids at the CC. We could say that virtually all crime was committed by whites and Indians, there is nothing scientific about these numbers. The crime rate was so low that any real numbers would be not even count as a fraction of the total crime in the US.

People are different, and race is not simply defined by the color of the skin. You can tell someones race by his bones as well. If the bones are different then is it not possible that the mental makeup is as well? Why do you think the suburbs with mainly white people is close to violent crime free, where areas with high african american concentrations is high in violent crime?

Race isn't causing the crime.

its been said to look outside the united states... ok. name one african american majority country that is not "third world country" status.

This made me laugh, an African American would have to live in America, therefore there aren't any third world countries with an African American population. Outside of that...your comment makes little sense and comes off as racist. Countries with a black majority are all 3rd world?

 

[sdj]

Be clear on one point - crime has nothing to do with gun control laws; it only provides an excuse to pass legislation designed for no other purpose than to allow the government to control the people. Many will say that we have all the protection we need through the ballot box. They need to be reminded that elections are held when, and if, the government allows them to be held. If the government cancels elections, there are no elections and the incumbents remain in office for life.

Nicely said.

Firearms are liberty's teeth. But it takes courage behind the gun, a steady hand a calm informed mind. Sometimes I fear the combination is not complete amongst our brethren.

+1 on that.

I think I need to re-read Machiavelli's "The Prince"...

 

[Regolith]

Nix: There is no biological basis for race. Period. The genetic differences between a white person and a black person number the same as the difference between a Norwegian and an Italian, or an Englishman and a Danish person. Or between a person with blue eyes and a person with green eyes.

Bone structures and pigmentation are inheritable traits, but they have NOTHING to do with factors such as intelligence or aggressiveness. You'll notice that the bone structures and pigmentations for an Irishman are different than those of a Slav. This doesn't mean that they are genetically predisposed to act differently.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

It's just adaptation. You put me in the middle of Africa and in 200 years I'm sure my descendants will have darker skin too.

 

[Nix]

This made me laugh, an African American would have to live in America, therefore there aren't any third world countries with an African American population. Outside of that...your comment makes little sense and comes off as racist. Countries with a black majority are all 3rd world?

so instead of addressing my point you simply take the copout of noting that i forgot to take "american" out of the phrase "african american" excuuuse me.

now. i was NOT saying that race CAUSED these crimes. i'm saying that our ignorance of the differences between people, and our wish to treat everyone "the same" causes these crimes.iranians come to this country broke and with nothing, but have the drive to change themselves. when there are white homeless people by the hundreds who do nothing? i think we need to address what makes people DIFFERENT. and WHY it is that the african american community is causing so much crime. im not saying its BECAUSE they are black... im simply saying that black people are different from white people, white people are different than asians and so on. to deny our differences and attempt to label everyone the same is the true face of racism

 

[Mainsail]

Oh crap this has gotten out of hand. Even if 100% of the crimes committed were perpetrated by blacks, does that mean that race caused it? Unfortunately there are a lot of one dimensional thinkers in our midst. Crime is caused by many things, but you cannot pin it down to simple things like guns or race. That’s what the people who hate civil rights do; we shouldn’t. So far, nobody has supported their claims with any citations.

I had hoped that we could discuss this ‘high road’ since that’s the name of the forum.

 

[MechAg94]

There are many factors related to crime beside race, but the problem is that most politicians and "leaders" don't want to address them because that would be too hard and require too much work. They can get more votes and more press doing easier things that look better. It might also upset the "bleeding heart" types because it often involves what is referred to as "tough love".

I agree with the thoughts on the origin of rascism. I'll have to save that attachment.

 

[datruth]

this may be a oxymorn but I hate racism

I wish everybody could live in a world , where we could all enjoy the pleasures of enjoying the shooting sports and and the comforts and securities of protecting our families and our selves with concealed carry laws without race being an issue, Jesse Jackson is "misguided" in his pursuits and Protesting in front of DS Arms, well Im black, and I dont speak for all African Americans , but I don't know too many people of any race that would spend the 12-1500 dollars on a FN-FAL , not to mention feeding the thing , and then turn around and use it in a crime, and maybe Im missing the point here but CRIMINALS NEVER HAD A PROBLEM GETTING WEAPONS:banghead:, so gun control does nothing but make all , good , law abiding citizens defenseless, maybe Im crazy but what If Im right.

 

[ServiceSoon]

"Quote:Originally Posted by Owen Sparks
Black people are statistically more prone to violence than Asians or whites...This is a fact...."
Citation please.

I would offer this report as the citation you desire, but the organization that put it together, the New Century Foundation slants towards racism. Try this report by the DOJ instead. I don't know why this it and it is unfortunate, but the information posted by Owen is fact. The RKBA IS a civil right.

I went down to the sheriff's office and applied for a license to carry a gun in the car; but this was refused.

- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ,after his house was bombed.

Well duh, that is because self defense isn't a good reason to own a firearm Suprisingly that is still thelaw in some cities.

 

[Titan6]

i'm saying that our ignorance of the differences between people, and our wish to treat everyone "the same" causes these crimes

You got me on that one. Please explain.

Even if 100% of the crimes committed were perpetrated by blacks, does that mean that race caused it?

100% of gun crimes were committed by people with guns. Guns clearly caused the crimes.

So far, nobody has supported their claims with any citations.

Why bother... turn off brain and make up facts... where have I heard that before? Oh yeah the Violence Policy Center.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

I used that quote to illustrate the racism of gun control. The man just had his house bombed, and he can't carry a gun. If that ain't wrong I don't know what is/

 

[Titan6]

I don't know why this it and it is unfortunate, but the information posted by Owen is fact.

No one is disputing that. merely the false conclusions many jumped to. Again... is this a worldwide problem or particular to the US?

 

[ilcylic]

ServiceSoon: You're mistaking Correlation with Causation.

Yes, the fact is plain that it is the case that in America today, 49% of firearm related homicides involves a segment which makes up about 13% of the population, black males between 13 and 24 years old. (If I remember the numbers right) This does not neccesarily imply that this is because they are black. But I suspect that among whites, there is a lot of variation by income, and statistically, black people are poorer than white people. (I'm not so fuzzy headed as to think this excuses violent behaviour, but it may explain it.)

 

[Titan6]

I must be the only one who finds this thread ironic.

 

[Nix]

ok lol. im done taking the "side i can argue one". i like to argue to argue. but the truth of the matter is this in my opinion.

Any child that grows up in a poor family situation with bad role models and the thoughts shoved into their head that crime and violence is the only way to succeed is going to do exactly that... attempt to succeed the only way they know how. White black yellow brown or red. The problem in this country is the parents, unfortunately i dont really know of a way to change that. Another large problem IS the media... it sensationalizes men who have children by 3 different women. It makes singe parent families "cool". Now there are exceptions to every rule, but a child growing up in a stable supportive two parent environment is not as likely to become a coke dealer as johnny who lives with his abusive drug dealing dad and his dads coke hoe of the week.

That unfortunately isnt a simple issue to fix, so i will just continue to try and keep my right to protect myself from litte johnny.

 

[Titan6]

Any child that grows up in a poor family situation with bad role models and the thoughts shoved into their head that crime and violence is the only way to succeed is going to do exactly that... attempt to succeed the only way they know how. White black yellow brown or red. The problem in this country is the parents, unfortunately i dont really know of a way to change that. Another large problem IS the media... it sensationalizes men who have children by 3 different women. It makes singe parent families "cool". Now there are exceptions to every rule, but a child growing up in a stable supportive two parent environment is not as likely to become a coke dealer as johnny who lives with his abusive drug dealing dad and his dads coke hoe of the week.

I guess. I suppose if we look at countries where plural marriage is common and men normally have babies by three different women and drug crime is extremely rare... maybe there is something we are still missing. Or we look at other countries where single parenting is more common and yet have lower crime rates one has to wonder... maybe there is more to it.

Since this is your opinion and not really based on facts that would mean what? I am looking for a "P" word....

 

[Nix]

and how many of those countries are murderers idolized by the media? how many of those countries are scumbags turned into heroes?

 

[Art Eatman]

This is gonna be the only chance to keep the thread open: Stay with the original thought or forget it.

There is a sub-culture within each ethnic group in the U.S. which pretty much accounts for the holdups of stop'n'robs, or muggings, or what we think of as reasonless murders. The majority in each of these ethnic groups is made up of good, honest people.

Basically, these sub-cultures may be described as having people with no regard for the rights or well-being of others, little or no education and no hope for the future. No "fetching up" as children. No ambition to make any sort of real life as most of us see reality.

Regardless of the percentage of any ethnic group which is in the sub-culture, the ethnicity is not a causal factor.

Art