Do Criminals Sometimes Shoot Cooperative Victims to Eliminate Witnesses?

[Trebor]

BullfrogKen: This thread began with a rather simple question, accompanied by a more complex assumption beneath it -

Do criminals sometimes shoot cooperative victims?

Yes, they do.

Just knowing that criminals "sometimes shoot cooperative victims" in and of itself is enough to influence my decision making process.

I don't need to know specifically *why* they choose to sometimes shoot victims.

I just need to realize that it is a realistic possibiltiy.

I do everything I can to avoid the "victim selection process" ahead of time, but if I'm in a situation where I am facing someone who intends to victimize me, knowing that often the "cooperating victim" is still injured or killed does play a role in how I respond.

In general, I'm not willing to bet my safety on the "good intentions" of the criminal. I have to provide for my own safety first and can't trust him not to injure or kill me just because I "cooperate."

His motivation for the crime is irrelevant. His actions towards me are what are relevant and his actions are what I will use to determine how I responde. Just threatening me with a deadly weapon is an action in itself, he doesn't need to actually use it yet for me to be in jeopardy.

 

[nitetrane98]

Look at the person sitting on your right...

About 95 lbs, big ears, black and tan hair, huge tongue, BIG teeth, goofy expression.........

Oh wait, that's my German Shepherd

 

[IllHunter]

In my neck of the woods,

the most famous instance is the "Palatine Brown's Chicken Massacre"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown's_Chicken_massacre

I postulate that low iq anti-social males (mostly), find adrenelin fixes hard to come by. More often combining them with testosterone bursts enhanced when acting in the presence of other like acting pinheads. The escalating of violence serves as a "pi__ing stick" for dominance within the group. Call it "street cred" or whatever, it's still just male mammals vying for dominance unsaddled by intellect or moral compass. This is exacerbated in our society by the absence of successful male role models in the family and neighborhood. And I mean a role model that kicks your butt, not one on tv!

 

[T. Bracker]

A couple of years ago a bank in Norfolk, Nebraska was robbed by several men, they went in and immediately shot everyone in the bank. No witnesses. Perps were caught about 75 miles away by an alert deputy. No gunplay on the arrest, I guess they were only brave with unarmed folks in the bank. I think there were 5 dead.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/Central/09/26/bank.slayings/

 

[Geno]

Geno asked:

Let me ask something real serious: what does a "perp" look like? Describe a perp's appearance, and explain a perp's conduct. What should I look for?

Gungnir answered correctly:

Look at the person sitting on your right...

Slick answer, but totally accurate.

Yes Sir. That is precisely the way the bank robbery went down. This bank robber was smooth, slick and quick!!! This "gentleman" was dressed to the 9s!!! He was in-and-out that bank in 60 seconds. What I witnessed, at not more than 6 feet, was both impressive and shocking.

Will I ever disclose here in S&T the full details of the bank robbery in which I was 2.5 years ago?! Hell no!! Lately it seems to me that too many people here are literally more belligerent to me than that bank robber was!!! Let that sink into the cognitive processes for a second or three!!!

Here is some food for thought for you all who like to get mean and condescending: there are those among you who have real-life experience surviving bank robberies, both and actual and attempted home invasions, and multiple street attacks. I have been a professionally certified martial arts instructor (of multiple martial arts) for over 30 years. I have completed 10 Tactical Shooting and Advanced Tactical Shooting courses.

Perhaps with passage of time, and me witnessing as much courtesy here in S&T as what I witnessed in that robbery, I might (in some future date) disclose my experiences in that bank robbery in greater detail.

Yours respectfully,

Geno (Bank-robbery survivor because I was ALERT and SMART!!!!)