Cooperate and you'll be ok.

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I have been seeing more and more of this on the news. They tell you to be calm, and give him what he wants. The local police recommend not carrying a gun.

I absolutely detest this sentiment that we'll all be ok if we just cooperate. Police and news media seem to promote the idea that being a victim is ok, as long as they have a story to tell. If I were a nefarious criminal, and I wanted to take someone with me, I would of course behave as though they were going to be ok if they just cooperated with me. "I don't want to hurt you, it's only money/car/purse/jewels. I'm not going to harm anyone, it's only business."
Like HELL! Don't carry a gun? WHAT? There is no such thing as a good guy who wants what's yours. Every single creature willing to take your things, or worse, is worthy of only one thing: contempt. People always tell me, "it's only money, and it's not worth dying for. BS! It IS NOT ONLY MONEY. These criminals are not all just good business people. He might want money today, but what if he wants your daughter? You've already given him cash, you have established yourself as a cooperative victim. Now he decides he wants your kids. They are worth more than your house in cash value in some places. Gonna "cooperate"? Didn't think so. I wish people would get it in their heads that the man who takes your wallet today could take your children tomorrow. He has your wallet. He has your address, and credit cards, and a picture of your happy family. He knows your social security number, and the phone number of your boss, and the kind of car you drive, and your insurance policy, and WHATEVER HE WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT YOU!
He goes to your house, in your car, and lets himself in with your garage door opener, and goes into your daughter's room, and she gets off the bus, and what did you do?

According to the police and the news media, you did the right thing. You gave him your money or keys or car, and kept yourself out of harm's way. You were lucky he didn't kill you. Right?

Wrong. You were the easy prey, the weak, cooperative victim who let him take your kids.

Rethinking the whole concept of "worth dying for" aren't you?
I'm preaching to the choir. Or am I?
Steve
 
Cooperate

I will cooperate. I will give the BG each and every round in my piece, with all my heart.:cool: :cool:
 
Lemme just say that I'd be cooperative as long as he has the drop on me and it's in my benefit to do so. There are all sorts of ways to mentally disarm an opponent as to any potential threat from me, and I'll use them. I'll whine, cry, fake a heart attack, whatever. First chance I get--if any--and that's the end of cooperation.

All this "don't resist" BS is just BS. But you resist when it's to your advantage, timewise. That might be instantly; it might be later. Every scenario is different.

:), Art
 
Cooperating didn't work out for that fella in Georgetown, DC. that is one of the many victims of late in the "Crime Emergency".

knife weilding man gets his cash...then slices his throat, killing him and takes off.

Probably one of too many who thought by acquiescing was the right thing to do. For him it wasn't. Terrible loss.

cavman
 
A tactic, not a way of life

Cooperating as a diversionary tactic may be wise if someone has the drop on you. This requires second-by-second decision making and good intuition. I would not rule it out.

In the bigger sense, cooperating, in terms of thoughlessly giving over total control to someone who is commiting an immoral act against you, shows questionable character.
 
Never was taught to play well with bullies.

All this "don't resist" BS is just BS. But you resist when it's to your advantage, timewise. That might be instantly; it might be later. Every scenario is different.
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On the nose!

About 2 years ago in Irving Tx a man at a gas pump cooperated by giving the
bad guy his wallet.... sorry bub, not enough money "bang" and he was dead.
Thats just one of many over the last few years.

I'll reach for my wallet, but thats not what he/she will be leaving with.
 
For those who advocate cooperation as a divirsionary tactic my hat is off to you. You have either been there, have very good insight, or instruction. The last thing you want to happen is to have the BG think he/she doesn't have the upper hand. What you do from there depends on a multitude of factors. They fall from handing over your valuables to killing a human being.
Jim
 
BG: Gimme yo' money!!!

You: Here's 13 cents, *POW*!!!!:evil:

I dont think I would cooperate, even if I was unarmed. I would get close and wrestle the punk. I know I'm just talking....I know.:p
 
Lemme just say that I'd be cooperative as long as he has the drop on me and it's in my benefit to do so. There are all sorts of ways to mentally disarm an opponent as to any potential threat from me, and I'll use them. I'll whine, cry, fake a heart attack, whatever. First chance I get--if any--and that's the end of cooperation.

All this "don't resist" BS is just BS. But you resist when it's to your advantage, timewise. That might be instantly; it might be later. Every scenario is different.
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This makes sense as I fear that one canned response is just not practical. I do not know this from experience, but situations like these most likely are very fluid and the proper response would need to be formulated as the situation dictates.
 
just talk to the squirrle on your shoulder, the invisible one, argue with the squirrle, explain to the theif paco doesn't think we should give him anything, insist that paco said it, then fall on the ground and fake a seizure.
 
I'd fake cooperate if a robber had a knife, reach for wallet, start fake hyperventillating. Gasp out "Asthma!!" with a wheezy voice. If situation allowed it and I was Carrying concealed, draw it. Crook will probably surrender.

Cut and fit tactics to deal with the situation.
 
As Art Eatman noted, you cooperate so long as you are at a disadvantage, but also so long as you feel it is in your best interest to do so. It can be very tough to mount an effective resistence against a drawn gun or a person who has a knife to your spouse. Not many of us here are fast enough to draw from concealment, and outdraw and shoot against a drawn gun and expect not to be harmed in the process. Killing the bad guy doesn't do much good if you die as well.

Compliance isn't BS from a statistical perspective. It works about 87% of the time according to FBI stats. I personally don't like the odds of 13% that I still get hurt for whatever reason after complying.

What those that preach absolute compliance seem to think is that compliance is some form of contractual agreement between robber and victim that if the victim cooperates, then the robber won't harm the victim and both will go their separate ways. The problem is, you can't trust either side to abide by said "contract" and as it turns out, the break of the contract may be by either party.

What those who preach absolute compliance also seem to forget is the significance of the robbery. Often the argument is made, "Is it worth risking your life over the contents of your wallet?" Of course not. However, the contents of one's wallet becomes no longer relevant once a person's life is threatened. It is no longer an issue of the wallet and its contents, but life and death. Losing the wallet may help in preserving life, maybe not. It is just another tool to aid in survival at that point of the confrontation.
 
Don't underestimate the power of a deversionary tactic. One night after closing down the range, we had a bull session about what we'd do if cornered. I mentioned that I carry a "fake wad" in my left pocket to throw down as a diversion. for a single, throw it behind and to either side, for a double throw it between the two of them. two attackers is better because there will be confusion as to who is supose to pick it up. One of the ROs siad this sound like a good tactic and made a wad that night, the next school week, he was cornered by two guys while comming home from a computer lab on campus, they had knives, he had nothin. He threw the wad, they fumbled, he applied boot leather to the nearest guys chin(they were both bent down to pick up the wad). Kampus Kops got the guy that got knocked out, who squeeled and turned in the other guy.
 
Every situation is different, with life-altering consequences to be work out in about half an instant.

We can bluster about macho garbage all day long, but at the end of it, maybe you'll want to shoot it out over a paid-for POS car that had transmission problems and the $2.36 in change in the ashtray, maybe not. Maybe you'll go to guns for the wallet, maybe not. Possessions can always be replaced, and in my line of work I have people insulting my honor, competence, eternal destination, and everything else both on purpose and accidentally (Preacherman- ain't ministry grand? :D ), but I manage to leave my piece in the holster. I've got thicker skin than that- I don't need to shoot somebody because he or she made an assault on my dignity. My dignity is better protected.

If somebody wants my loved ones, things change- like I said, situations differ. Just make sure that when you draw, you are morally and legally justified in ending the life of another. The person may well be a punk, but taking out some trash can mean an AWFUL long walk to the curb. You decide if hoofing it that far is worth it to you. Every time.
 
Cooperate and you'll be ok.

That's almost a direct quote of Mohammed Atta, 9-11 terrorist, speaking to the passengers and crew of a hijacked airliner about to hit the twin towers;

"Stay quiet and you'll be okay".

Michelle Malkin, American patriot and extraordinary writer, noted: "There is a time and place for refusing...to be quiet while terrorists, criminals and other enemies take control. Sometimes you need to engage in a violent and valiant struggle against evil...American patriot and hero, Todd Beamer, didn't say, "Let's meditate". It was, "Let's roll!""
 
Cooperate?

Depending on the circumstances, it may be to your advantage to cooperate with the BGs...for a while. I remember reading the story of an off-duty policeman.
He had stopped at a convience store on his way home after working his shift.
His off-duty piece was a 2" .38 snubby in an ankle holster. As he waited in line at the counter to pay for his items, 2 armed BGs enter the store and begin to shake down everyone. One discovering the badge of the peace officer, the BGs start threatening to shoot him. The officer gets down on his knees and begins to beg the BGs not to shoot him. He says he has a wife and kid,etc. The BGs find this hilarious and when they distracted, the kneeling officer draws his now easily accessible snubby and fatally shoots both BGs!

I know that carrying your only handgun in an ankle holster is not the best choice, but this officer feigned cooperation until he was in position to resist effectively.
 
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