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Do these bullets look right? (30-30 experts)

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by lharrell79, Dec 29, 2012.

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  1. lharrell79

    lharrell79 Member

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    Let me preface this with saying that i've never reloaded 30-30 before, so these flat points are new to me. I recently purchased 2 boxes of speer deep curl 170gr FP #2042. This is what I received:

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    Basically, there is lead everywhere. I've loaded soft points in pistol before, but not rifle. My experience with pistol soft points has been better uniformity than this. So, do these look right? Lead smeared all over, and hanging off.

    In the third picture, the bullet on the far right is one that I cleaned up. After wiping off all the lead, it looks a little better. However, even the copper jacket isn't uniform. At the tip of the bullet, the copper jacket rides up higher on one side than the other. So, basically at the tip of the bullet, there is more exposed lead on one side than the other.

    My concerns are reduced accuracy, and lack of controlled expansion. What are your thoughts?
     
  2. ArchAngelCD

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    I'm a little surprised Speer let those bullets out of the factory looking like that. Commercial manufacturers usually tumble bullets and ammo to clean them up before they package them. Those look like they missed that step but will probably shoot just fine.
     
  3. 243winxb

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    Loaded with a Lee Classic "hammer" loader?? OOPs, not loaded yet. U can tell i am no expert. :D
     
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  4. bds

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    They haven't been loaded yet. ;)
     
  5. bhhacker

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    They look a bit rough but will probably shoot just fine. I would maybe clean up the lead on the tips. the stuff that shouldnt be there should flake off if that makes sense.
     
  6. jcwit

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    Not really, I've used a Lee Loader "hammer" for both 30-30 and 32 Win. Spec. and never had bullets look like that. In fact I even reload with cast bullets.
     
  7. rcmodel

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    If I paid $28 bucks a box for Speer bullets and they looked like that??

    I'd be on the phone with Speer monday morning.

    Or send them an email with those pictures today.

    That right there just ain't right from any manufacture.

    And I wouldn't load them or shoot them.
    Speer owes you some new bullets that got made right.

    rc
     
  8. DeadFlies

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    Yow! Those are ugly.

    I agree with rc, I wouldn't tolerate that kind of slop for that kind of money. Not when there are so many other bullets manufacturers competing for my dollars.
     
  9. MSgtEgress

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    I agree with RC I'm sure Speer QC would want to know about that lot # and recall them. Call Speer
     
  10. lharrell79

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    Anyone have speer's number or email? I went to their website, and they've taken down their info because of all the ammo panic inquiries.
     
  11. joed

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    That is pretty bad. About all you'll be able to do is send a letter if they won't accept phone calls or email. I'd never buy their bullets again though, and I'm pretty good at holding a grudge.

    I'm surprised we're not seeing a lot move of this, because they figure they can get away with it.
     
  12. jcwit

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    Here you go

    ATK AMMUNITION-CCI/SPEER
    2299 SNAKE RIVER AVE
    LEWISTON, ID 83501-9685 | view map
    (208) 746-2351

    Buy Detailed Profile $5.00 | view a sample www.atk.com
     
  13. jcwit

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    If I felt that way about things I've bought over the last 69 years there would be very little left to buy.

    Every business has their slip-ups.
     
  14. lharrell79

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    Okay, back to the original questions. Does everyone agree that these are not normal? Does anyone have any loading experience with these, and can confirm that their bullets looked different?
     
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    They should shoot fine. If it was me I would use a heavier sandpaper or emery cloth and just clean them up a little bit.
     
  16. lharrell79

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    I'll try contacting speer 1st to see what they say. I'm mostly disappointed with speer. I've always found them to have top notch quality.

    These will be used for hunting, so my biggest concern is their accuracy, and ability to expand uniformly.
     
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    Yep, those are poor quality bullets.
    They will work OK but I would be worried the lead may flake off and get into the rifle's mechanics or moving parts.
     
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    That's another thing i'm worried about, is the lead gumming up the rifle over time. I can literally pick it off with my fingernails, and it just falls off.
     
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    scrape the lead off with a knife, load 'em up and shoot 'em.

    they look fine, other than the QC guy took the day off..
     
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    Terrible bullets, where is the QC, I can't imagine a bullet of that quality leaving the factory,
    someone slipped up letting those go thru the line.

    Smokeyloads
     
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  21. joed

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    Sure they look bad but will work fine. They're ugly yes, but should be just fine for whatever use you have in mind.

    You can mess up the tip of a bullet and it will still work fine, but mess up the base and it won't work.
     
  22. kingmt

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    I don't like Speer that well but I'd shoot them. They don't look that bad to me. I've seen a lot worse in load ammo with tips bent, ends smashed, & all kinds of crazy stuff. Only times I've refused to shoot any was one I found a split jacket on & another time a guy asked me to figure out why he couldn't shoot his rifle in so I shoot a 303 for my first time & wasn't much harder then a 22 but the next shoot hurt then the third round was a 270. I wouldn't shoot anymore. The box of Remington was sealed & there want even a 270 on the range.
     
  23. Walkalong

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    Call Speer. They will replace them, and probably be glad you called. That is just sloppy.

    That said.
    I would not have a problem doing this. I bet you will never see the difference on target. Tips don't matter much until you get into really long range shots.

    I just bought some 130 and 150 Gr Speer Hot Core bullets to try, and the tips are near perfect.
     
  24. ArchAngelCD

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    No, they are not normal but it's only cosmetic from what I can see. Like I said in Post #2, it looks like those bullet skipped the tumbling step before they packaged them. I also agree it's unacceptable, and at any price from any maker.
     
  25. lharrell79

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    Thank you all for the input. I think the consensus is that these bullets are not the norm. Therefore, I will be contacting Speer and asking for an exchange.
     
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