Do they still make the BAR? (in semi auto only too?)
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monsternav
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'Card, I'm pretty sure that was not the "BAR" Doug was looking for.
Try this:
http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/slr/slr.htm
Try this:
http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/slr/slr.htm
Detritus
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Since he's making a request for info on Semi-auto versions, and thus implying that a "normal' one is full auto capable.. i don't think that the current browning auto-chucker deer gun is what he's after....
the answer is still yes but Browning isn't who makes them. Ohio Ordnance works is who you want. their SLR is a repro of the 1918A3 BAR, and runs around $3K according to the site.
they also make an early WW1 style (1918 no suffix) version of the SLR for $4,300
shoot. Why do old semi auto rifles run so high when modern AR-15 are like $1000 (not that that is exactly cheap)Yes, I was looking for the WW1 or 2 type
not the modern Browning fully automatic hunting rifles seen on Browning's website. But thank you anyway 'Card.
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carterbeauford
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Hey you asked for the real thing, authenticity comes at a price
Do these reproductions have any collectors value?
Anyone else wish Browning had come up with a different acronym for the aforementioned hunting rifles?
harvester of sorrow
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Partly because BARs involve a lot of steel machining, but mostly because a ton of companies make AR15s, whereas Ohio Ordnance Works are the only people offering a complete, ATF-approved, semi auto BAR. Also, any USGI parts used in the guns are limited in supply.
CB, OOW does limited runs of these, I think their next production will be in 2007. In that respect, they have some value to collectors if they can buy one NOW instead of later.
Dionysusigma
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Sorry... I'm just imagining taking out a whole prarie dog town with an M1919A3.
I've always wanted one, too... but alas, being a college student doesn't pay much. :banghead:
Dionysusigma
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I... oh my...
It's so...
*runs outside giggling gleefully*
It's so...
Oh my gosh... it's LEGAL!
*runs outside giggling gleefully*
carpettbaggerr
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expensive, too
Evil Monkey
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Speaking of expensive SEMI-AUTO guns, check this out.
A standard M60E3 for the military....$6,000.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m60e3.htm
A semi auto version for civilians....$8,000!!!
http://www.usord.com/M60E3Semi_USORD.html
Why do they price gouge us!
A standard M60E3 for the military....$6,000.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m60e3.htm
A semi auto version for civilians....$8,000!!!
http://www.usord.com/M60E3Semi_USORD.html
Why do they price gouge us!
harvester of sorrow
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Partly because the ATF has to approve a proposed semi auto version of a machinegun after determining that it is "not readily convertible" back into a machinegun, which isn't nearly as simple as it might sound. R&D costs of the machinegun were realized over 30 years ago, but they can only use so much of the machinegun design for their semi, which means they have to start from scratch at some point.
Also, economies of scale are at work here, in that they will probably sell 1,000 or more machineguns to the military for every 1 semiauto version they sell.
Man I want one of those.
Seriously... if an Ohio Ordnance 1918A3 came my way I'd be very very happy.
The full auto versions run around $25k... three grand seems like peanuts to that.
Seriously... if an Ohio Ordnance 1918A3 came my way I'd be very very happy.
The full auto versions run around $25k... three grand seems like peanuts to that.
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10-Ring
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Sounds like you're on a quest...Good luck! Also sounds & looks like a noble venture
TexasRifleman
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If you are really on a quest for one, you should call Ohio Ordnance works quickly and get on the list.
Forget about the US Ordnance M60, you won't find one. I am not sure why the keep that on their webpage, they have not done a production run in years. I have a friend that's been on a search for that thing forever.
Ohio Ordnance does still make their BAR, but they only tool up their machine shop for a run of receivers every couple of years.
I'm on the list for one next run, slated early next year if memory serves.
As for price, that's really not that out of line to be honest. These are an extremely low volume item and the receiver and bolt are nothing like the original, as well as a totally different operating system to comply with our friends at ATF. The machine work is first rate, absolutely beautiful fit and finish. Yet, it still manages to use genuine GI parts for everything else. Spares are easy to find except for the bolt, which I can't imagine you'd wear out anyway. It's one big honking piece of steel.
It took me close to a year just to find any for sale, when I picked up this one...
Forget about the US Ordnance M60, you won't find one. I am not sure why the keep that on their webpage, they have not done a production run in years. I have a friend that's been on a search for that thing forever.
Ohio Ordnance does still make their BAR, but they only tool up their machine shop for a run of receivers every couple of years.
I'm on the list for one next run, slated early next year if memory serves.
As for price, that's really not that out of line to be honest. These are an extremely low volume item and the receiver and bolt are nothing like the original, as well as a totally different operating system to comply with our friends at ATF. The machine work is first rate, absolutely beautiful fit and finish. Yet, it still manages to use genuine GI parts for everything else. Spares are easy to find except for the bolt, which I can't imagine you'd wear out anyway. It's one big honking piece of steel.
It took me close to a year just to find any for sale, when I picked up this one...
Pork Fat
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While we are on the subject....
I think that these are big beautiful honkin' rifles with no need to be practical. I hefted one that was standing in a consignment rack at Albright's in Easton a couple of years ago. My back is feeling much better now, thank you.
I was curious about the accuracy of these beauties. I believe that they are closed bolt guns and I know they possess a great amount of stabilizing... tonnage. This, along with aperture sights and a long sighting radius, would lead me to guess that they would shoot pleasing groups.
Texas Sig, or anyone else, am I correct? I realize Ohio Ordnance doesn't tout these as precision instruments. I just thought that it might be a fun rifle at a club match or something. Just have to save up and stop spending money on new carpet and other frivolities, I'm sure the wife would understand...
I think that these are big beautiful honkin' rifles with no need to be practical. I hefted one that was standing in a consignment rack at Albright's in Easton a couple of years ago. My back is feeling much better now, thank you.
I was curious about the accuracy of these beauties. I believe that they are closed bolt guns and I know they possess a great amount of stabilizing... tonnage. This, along with aperture sights and a long sighting radius, would lead me to guess that they would shoot pleasing groups.
Texas Sig, or anyone else, am I correct? I realize Ohio Ordnance doesn't tout these as precision instruments. I just thought that it might be a fun rifle at a club match or something. Just have to save up and stop spending money on new carpet and other frivolities, I'm sure the wife would understand...
A-10 Warthog!
This is what I want:
from the front of an A-10 Warthog!
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Too cool!
Doc2005
This is what I want:
from the front of an A-10 Warthog!
Photo from: (http://www.a-10.org/photos/p.asp?FileName=MVC-002F.JPG)
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Too cool!
Doc2005
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You lucky SOB...
TexasRifleman
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Pork Fat said:
Way way past pleasing. I've shot out to 500 yds and have found the thing to be exceptionally accurate (no further simply because there isn't a longer range around).
I heve never actually mic'ed the groups so I couldn't really say numbers but I was shocked at how well it shoots.
Even with the plain old Korean ball ammo I usually feed it.
Zundfolge
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Aside from production costs, there is also a much more limited market for the old style rifles. They can sell hundreds (if not thousands) of AR-15s for every BAR reproduction.
Ain't no such thing as gouging in a free market. They will price them at what the market will bear ... actually the high prices are a good thing because if they continue to get high prices then it will encourage others to make reproductions of cool old guns too.
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