RPCVYemen, your lack of skepticism of the AHSA is amazing. So much so that I don’t think you’re being truthful. You’ve either swallowed their coolaid completely, or you’re attempting to deceive people on their behalf on a pro-gun forum. Both are equally embarrassing. It's not worth arguing with you because you are either one or the other. I'll say one thing and that is at the very least this is another thread that brings more AHSA awarness...
Do you know of any GUN OWNERS who are AHSA members?
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It must be interesting to live in a world of "fronts" and "hidden policies" and "secret agenda" - sort of like a pulp spy novel.
Either the AHSA will take actions commensurate with its stated policies, or it will not. Since its members likely chose to join based on those policies, if the AHSA does not take actions commensurate with its stated policies, either the members will leave or there will be a purge (another neat Cold War term like "front") as per the ACLU in 1940.
Mike
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The good thing about AHSA is that it's advocates display arrogance and contempt for other gun owners to such an extreme degree that it naturally offends real gun owners and supporters of the 2nd Amendment. People dislike being lied to. They REALLY dislike being lied to as though they were mentally handicapped children. And that's exactly what the AHSA types do when they deny AHSA and Obama's PUBLICLY stated positions, and especially when they try to parse words like Holocaust deniers. They're their own worst enemeis and I sincerely encourage them to keep at it.
AHSA and the NFA before it are like the cavalcade of neo-Nazi organizations. The names and initials change, but the lies never do.
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It must be interesting to live in a world where up is down, black is white, and lies are truth. It must in fact be like being a Holocaust denier. Deny the undeniable, parse words, lie by omission; but despite your best efforts, the truth remains the same. It must be as frustrating for you as it is for guys like Ernst Zundel and William Pierce.
Strangely, just as you futilely attempt to gull gun owners into supporting their own oppression and destruction, neo-Nazis regularly try to recruit in gun related usnenet newsgroups and discussion boards. Oddly, they're no more successful than AHSA is... yet you both keep trying... and failing miserably.
The National Alliance was followed by the National Vanguard, which will doubtless be followed by some other Holocaust "truth" con game. The NFA was followed by AHSA. What name will you be using when AHSA dries up and blows away like the National Alliance, the National Vanguard and the National Firearms Association?
RPCVYemen said:
If it were at all hidden you might have a point. But the Joyce Foundation thinks so little of the intelligence of AHSA donors, that they don't even bother hiding this info. I find it interesting that you would feel the need to attempt to marginalize the connection between anti-gun groups and the AHSA as tinfoil.
Why is that?
Is this the same Mike who posted on Democratic Underground (DU) that he had spoken to Ray Schoenke before the election?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x188822
Just curious...
Anyone who even remotely believes RPCVYemen's claims please google:
John Rosenthal, Stop Handgun Violence
Ray Schoenke, Handgun Control Inc.
Bob Ricker
Joseph J. Vince, Jr., Crime Gun Solutions
Washington State Bill SB-5197
Also check out these "hidden" data points about the AHSA.
John Rosenthal, Stop Handgun Violence
Ray Schoenke, Handgun Control Inc.
Bob Ricker
Joseph J. Vince, Jr., Crime Gun Solutions
Washington State Bill SB-5197
Paul Helmke said:
Also check out these "hidden" data points about the AHSA.
TexasRifleman
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Oh I think by now he's all alone in this one. Even he knows the truth about this group he just isn't admitting it for whatever reason.
They didn't even try very hard to hide it with a board made of people like that. It's a who's who of HCI.
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bdickens
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Well, all you chickens who voted for Colonel Sanders: I hope he breads you up real good before he drops you in that hot grease. Maybe it won't burn so bad.
mgregg85
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Larrye, I love it, I think I just found my new sig line.
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The old National Firearms Association was exactly the same, probably even with some of the same people.
It's like a "civil rights" organization with David Duke, William Pierce, the Rev. Richard Butler and Matt Hale on the board of directors.
AHSA ought to get together with VPC, Stop Handgun Violence, the Brady Organization, and the Million Mom March to put on a "gun rights" conference. Maybe President Ahmadinejad of Iran would be willing to host it in Teheran...
Now that's funny. I guess Mike must be a less common first name than I thought. I guess I am responsible for all posts on the Internet by anyone named Mike?
Just for the record, I don't know that the Democratic Underground is, and have never posted there. I assume that it's some kind of Democratic Party site?
Mike
TexasRifleman
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Oh you are clearly not thinking for yourself. You have so far refused to talk about the issues I've brought up about the entire board of directors of AHSA working consistently against firearm owners for a very long time. You simply repeat the party line as you've been led to believe it.
Instead you play word game with "ban" and "confiscate".
That you refuse to discuss it or defend their actions tells plenty.
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Thinking that 2+2=5, that there was no Holocaust, or that Obama and AHSA aren't hysterically anti-gun... and cravenly dishonest about it, is nothing to be proud of, whether you do it alone or in a group.
TexasRifleman
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And you see one of those where?
That's what I thought.
When you can no longer defend your position the only move left is to claim personal attacks and walk away.
mljdeckard
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You have clearly demonstrated that you are willing to talk yourself into believing anything a pro-Obama organization tells you.
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So, what's Obama's position on handgun and CCW bans?
What's AHSA's?
How many board members does AHSA share with various anti-gun groups?
The thread won't ACTUALLY have run its course until the maximum number of gun owners realize how AHSA is attempting to deceive them.
Looks to me like RPCVYemen hates the Republican party more than he loves the Second Amendment. And he sure talks a good game about Constitutional rights being "destroyed" to then make fun of people speaking of "fronts" and "conspiracies." To hear him talk about the Republican party, we should all be locked up without a trial. They love to trot out the Patriot Act and other supposed mis-deeds of the Republicans but cannot point to one AMERICAN who has had those rights violated without due process. Instead, they deflect and point to Guantanamo, where ENEMY COMBATANTS are detained and scream about lost Constitutional Rights.
Justin
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You've plainly failed to address many valid points brought up by those in this thread, including myself.
You'll have to point it out, I guess I missed it. I do see some piling-on, but it looks deserved to me.
Dain Bramage
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I've checked the AHSA website in vain for any of the policy issues that RPCVYemen supports. They must only be available to the multitude of members. I guess I have to get the official can and string to join that network.
It is interesting that their blog entries have comment buttons on the bottom, but they are all turned off. The only feedback they allow is to join or send money. Nice.
It is interesting that their blog entries have comment buttons on the bottom, but they are all turned off. The only feedback they allow is to join or send money. Nice.
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