Do you know of any GUN OWNERS who are AHSA members?
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Dain Bramage
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Also, from the content of this string, I'm finally figuring out what "RPCVYemen" means. "PCV" = Peace Corps Volunteer. Yemen is the country he/she volunteered in. I don't know about the "R". P'rolly means "Republican". 
I have answered the objections to the stated policies of the AHSA - the only one being an objection to the 50 BMG ban. I happen to think that's a bad policy.
What valid points did you bring up about the publicly stated polices of the AHSA that I did not answer?
I may have missed them in the deluge of post - if I did so, I apologize, and ask you to either re-post them, or refer to those posts.
I am not in any way obligated to try and defend any hypothetical policies, secret agendas assertion or conspiracy theories.
Mike
What!? Did you google anything anyone told you to google? Just Wikipedia it if that's too hard. Look at the founders. Look at their previous jobs. Look at where the moneys coming from. This doesn't even require one min of research to figure out whats going on. As far as secret agendas... You should know by now that not everything is what it seems when anti gun political lobbiests are involved...
TexasRifleman
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OK, plain and simple questions, no secrets or tinfoil.
Do you or do you not dispute the documented fact that the majority of the members of AHSA board of directors are and have been contributors of large sums of money to HCI/Brady Campaign.
Do you or do you not dispute the documented fact that several board members of AHSA have testified AGAINST gun manufacturers in several state lawsuits, in direct conflict with the stated objectives of AHSA.
If you cannot dispute these things (which you can't since it's all well known public record) then how can you say that AHSA will attempt to fulfill its stated objectives when the very board that leads it does not do so? What is your justification for believing that these people will act on behalf of AHSA in 100% conflict with their personal actions?
Very simple questions. 2 of them yes or no and one asking for a short statement. No tinfoil, no conspiracy, no BS.
Just honesty. You got it in you?
TexasRifleman
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Let's do some simple math shall we?
AHSA has published that it's yearly operating budget is $500,000.
If we assume they spend 100% of it, that means that they need $500,000 a year income. At a membership dues level of $25 that would mean that, at a minimum, AHSA would have at least 20,000 dues paying members each year.
Robert Ricker,Executive Director, has publicly stated a membership number of between 100 and 150 members. (that's $3750 at most)
Ricker went on to state that the majority of AHSA operating funds come from contributions from the board of directors itself.
So, that leaves 2 things:
1) They don't need members therefore there will be no "purge" since members don't matter and
2) The Board of Directors actions and incomes are 100% opposed to AHSA's published objectives yet they spend their own money to fund the organization.
Those are facts, most of them hard to dispute since they came from the Director of AHSA himself.
That leaves the question, why would these people spend nearly half a million dollars a year on an organization that is 100% opposed to their personal beliefs?
I'll leave that one for discussion.
TexasRifleman
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That is clearly answered in my post #114, members do not matter since less than $4000 of AHSA's $500,000 operating budget comes from members.
You have still not answered my question,
By the way, all of Rickers answers concerning AHSA were given in court under oath so let's not have any of this "it's all lies" stuff shall we?
Nothing secret about it. The AHSA is AN ANTI-GUN ORGANIZATION!
They pulled the wool over your eyes. You can believe what you want, that the NRA should have backed Obama because he was winning, that "some guns" and "some rights" should be given up for "the common good".
Believe it all you want. It's your right.
But don't try to sell that crap here.
Hahaha. I remember back in '92 on my drive in to work, the subject of who folks were going to vote for came up on a local radio show. One guy called in and said (paraphrasing), 'I wait until the last minutes when the polls are open so I can watch and see who is in the lead. That way, I can go into the polling place and vote for the who is going to win.' I laughed my butt off. Talk about a man with conviction.
Hahahaha.
rbernie
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RPCVYemen - you clearly believe that you've earned yourself a spot at the table via your association (donation) to AHSA. So if/when the AHSA does not prove satisfying to you as a RKBA rights group, how will you exert your influence? Will you participate in AHSA BoD nominations, and vote in BoD members more in line with the face you want for AHSA?
In short - how exactly do you intend to exert and measure your level of influence, and what will you do if AHSA proves to be less that satisfying in their RKBA lobbying?
In short - how exactly do you intend to exert and measure your level of influence, and what will you do if AHSA proves to be less that satisfying in their RKBA lobbying?
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Owen
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So let me get this straight RCPVYemen. The NRA is compromised because the Republicans lost the presidential election.
In response, you join a front for the Brady campaign. Of the dozens and dozens of pro-gun orgs you could have thrown money at, you picked an anti-gun group. Smooth.
In response, you join a front for the Brady campaign. Of the dozens and dozens of pro-gun orgs you could have thrown money at, you picked an anti-gun group. Smooth.
bannockburn
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Thank you Larry; my feelings exactly.
I have stated multiple times in this thread that I did not expect the NRA or endorse Obama over John McCain. Their political miss-step was in the vitriol and deception the used. The could have pointed to his personal preference for an extension of the AWB, and endorsed McCain. But hey didn't do that - see factcheck.org.
Mike
Justin
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McCain opposed the renewal of the ban on so-called "assault weapons."
No the NRA is compromised because of its continual enthusiastic support of politicians who want to undermine the Constitution of the United States.
When I found a pro-gun organization (defined as an organization who's publicly stated verifiable policy is pro-gun) that did not support politicians who want to undermine the Constitution of the United States, I started looking at them.
The lies about Obama and the subsequent likely loss of influence were the tipping factors that led me to plunk down my $25.
Mike
One of the many reasons I supported John McCain until he picked a running mate so obvious unqualified to be President and so obviously a Christian theocrat that she's probably not real sure of the difference between the Ten Commandments and the Bill of Rights.
I gave enough money to McCain to get an autographed picture of he and Cindy mailed to me.
I never gave any money to Obama - I am not a big fan. But he's a better choice than a Christian demagogue who couldn't name a single Supreme Court case other than Rove v Wade - not even Heller?
Mike
Owen
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what lies did the NRA tell about Obama?
The Deer Hunter
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I can assure you sir, they do.
WHAT???
138 years and counting.
As I said before, don't try to sell your crap here. We're not buying.
jahwarrior
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wow. it seems you've suffered a quantum shift, because your reality is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different from the reality the rest of us are experiencing.
what lies about Obama did you find that the rest of us missed?
what exactly did the AHSA do to support the 2A that the NRA and GOA did not?
and exactly how far does your head go in there?
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