Do you prefer a Concealed Carry handgun WITH or WITHOUT a manual safety?

[The Lone Haranguer]

Excluding pure SAO designs, I prefer mine without, as they are superfluous. But even if a DA or DAO does have a safety, who says you have to use it? It isn't required for the gun to be fired.

 

[JTQ]

klash545 wrote,
safeties can get you killed,murphys law and all that

I think the evidence is to the contrary. The safety is more likely to save your life than cost it.

http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/AmericanHandgunner/AHMA11/?page=32

 

[mesinge2]

Without starting the 1911 vs. Plastic war. To answer honestly; it depends on the gun. I carry either a 1911, a revolver, or one of my M&Ps. Generally, I prefer to have no manual safety. But as I have stated I do often carry a 1911 and while I think good trigger discipline would prevent an individual with a 1911 from an ND; there are not many options for a 1911 'style' gun without a manual safety.

One that I have been looking into is the new Colt DAO models. I love this idea as it give me a 1911 'style' gun without the manual safety.

 

[GLOOB]

which basically forfeits almost any ability to prevent an ND.

Not if you follow rule four.

That's my basic problem with a manual safety. The 4 rules are still more important than any manual safety. You should still observe the 4 rules. Therefore, the manual safety is extraneous to safe handling of a holstered sidearm.

 

[EddieNFL]

EddieNFL,

I had a 1911 with an ambi-safety that I repeatedly found off safe in the holster. Removed the ambi-safety and the problem went away.


As for the poll question given a model like the M&P where you have a choice of with or without I prefer without. One more mechanical device to fail at the most critical time.

Over the years I've carried at least a dozen different 1911s, most with ambi-safeties and often sans holster. No problems to date. Maybe I have more "body" to protect the gun.

 

[EddieNFL]

That's my basic problem with a manual safety. The 4 rules are still more important than any manual safety. You should still observe the 4 rules. Therefore, the manual safety is extraneous to safe handling of a holstered sidearm.

I would not/did not use the safety on 92s, but, as disengaging the safety adds nothing to ToT, I prefer to carry 1911s in condition one.

 

[shooter_from_show-me]

I am just fine with my CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom w/ it in the half cock postition.

 

[jeepnik]

Uhh, my answer is yes, no and sorta. 1911's yes, revolvers no, Glocks well, sorta.

 

[BADUNAME37]

To me, it matters not whether the carry-piece has a manual-safety or it doesn't.

I make sure I shoot the pistol(s) enough to know immediately what I need to do in the event of ever having to shoot it on short notice. I surely hope that never happens, however, as the Boy Scout Motto says - BE PREPARED.

 

[CZguy]

I surely hope that never happens, however, as the Boy Scout Motto says - BE PREPARED.

To me that sums this topic up very well. I have some of each type, and train weekly to have muscle memory in case of the unlikely event that I would ever have to use it.

But then I'm the kind of guy who carries a first aid kit and fire extinguisher in the car. I've never needed any of them, but figure they might come in handy some day.

 

[beatledog7]

A long, reasonably heavy DA trigger pull and a working, active brain are all the "safety" you need.

 

[chicharrones]

Those look blasphemous yet awesome at the same time.

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[boomhower1820]

For me without. My first handgun was an issued Glock. All of my training has been sanse manual safety so I'm not going to start now and try to undo all of that. Plus in still tote the Glock at work. I really want a CCO 1911 but when the STHF you revert to your training. I just cant get myself to trust self enough the flip the safety of the moment comes. Current CCW is a sig 239.


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[Milsurp70]

No safety for me.
Being a lefty most of the new "mini" guns with a safety forget us.
Just like the Shield.

+1 on this one. I sucks being a lefty in a right handed world. Adapt and overcome. No safety for me due to this.



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[ATLDave]

I have a strong preference for safeties. I want to have to make multiple mistakes before an ND. Since ALL of my guns have safeties, I'm not worried about forgetting to take it off. I am more worried about a trigger catching on the edge of a holster, or the like.

 

[dubya450]

I don't mind them as long as you practice drawing and flippin the safety. Overall I prefer something like a fnp45 or 1911 style pistol with traditional double action single action and exposed hammer. If it has a safety thats fine.

 

[TarDevil]

I think the evidence is to the contrary. The safety is more likely to save your life than cost it.

http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/AmericanHandgunner/AHMA11/?page=32

Great article. Saved it.

That's my basic problem with a manual safety. The 4 rules are still more important than any manual safety. You should still observe the 4 rules. Therefore, the manual safety is extraneous to safe handling of a holstered sidearm.

Works good as long as YOU are the only person that ever touches your gun. As the above article repeatedly demonstrates, BGs occasionally can get control of your weapon.

To me that sums this topic up very well. I have some of each type, and train weekly to have muscle memory in case of the unlikely event that I would ever have to use it.

But then I'm the kind of guy who carries a first aid kit and fire extinguisher in the car. I've never needed any of them, but figure they might come in handy some day.

My guns (except for the revolvers) have safeties and my drills always include their use. I'm not the brightest bulb in the room, but adding that one tiny function to my drills isn't particularly taxing.

I CAN see the point about being a lefty. Sucks!

 

[theQman23]

When I ride gold wings or harleys, I shift one down and four up conventionally. when I race sport bikes on road courses, we shift one up, and five down so that we can upshift while leaned over all the way.

What's my point?

Understand the design of what you are carrying, and do what is proper for THAT DESIGN and don't worry about what everyone else is doing. What does this mean?

SA only guns - need a safety to safely carry
sa/da guns - EITHER turn the safety on when cocked, or carry uncocked
striker designs, - since it's not fully cocked anyway, just cover the trigger in a holster

It really doesn't need to be any more complicated that this folks.

 

[Winkman822]

I say with a manual safety for the simple fact that I prefer a single action only gun (i.e. a 1911). I like having the same trigger pull every shot from first shot to last. Personally, I'm of the opinion that if you train adequately and get used to sweeping the safety off as you are getting the gun on target, you'll never have an issue...this does, of course, assume you have a fairly intuitively designed safety as that found on the 1911.

When I had my USP Compact .40 and carried it, I carried it single action with the manual safety engaged. I just prefer that mode of carry.