I had this happen to me about 6-8 years ago. I was in the room with my daughter who was around 10-12 at the time. Before I could stop her she "Yes but its okay, my dad's a cop". I told her that the proper response was "None of your business" and that she should never discuss family security with strangers. The pill pusher still went into his tirade about how guns are dangerous and how we should get rid of them because they are more likely to kill a family member than an intruder, blah, blah, blah. I told him that he should stick to subjects that he knows something about to avoid making a fool of himself again in the future. He continued his rant so I told him to shut up and save it for somebody stupid enough to believe his bull****. When we were finished I went to the office manager (an 8 doc office) and left orders that that doc was not allowed to ever treat my kids again.
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I had this happen to me about 6-8 years ago. I was in the room with my daughter who was around 10-12 at the time. Before I could stop her she "Yes but its okay, my dad's a cop". I told her that the proper response was "None of your business" and that she should never discuss family security with strangers. The pill pusher still went into his tirade about how guns are dangerous and how we should get rid of them because they are more likely to kill a family member than an intruder, blah, blah, blah. I told him that he should stick to subjects that he knows something about to avoid making a fool of himself again in the future. He continued his rant so I told him to shut up and save it for somebody stupid enough to believe his bull****. When we were finished I went to the office manager (an 8 doc office) and left orders that that doc was not allowed to ever treat my kids again.
Loosedhorse
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me said:
I did not "misquote" you, as I did not put quotes around my statement. If you feel I inaccurately interpreted your words (and you meant the doctor did make a truthful statement), fine: one more thing we can disagree on!you said:
Takes two to tango. I have many times said that I disagree with you, but I think your version is fine (for you). You are the only one apparently intent on convincing the other.
HOWARD J
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My doctor asked me if I had any guns--I said yes & would you like to see one.
I took it out--dropped the mag & jacked the round out of chamber & handed it to him. He said very nice & where can I get one like this.
I told him to check the local gun shop & they could help him.
End of story.
I took it out--dropped the mag & jacked the round out of chamber & handed it to him. He said very nice & where can I get one like this.
I told him to check the local gun shop & they could help him.
End of story.
MD_Willington
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... I've shot my Dr's EDC (S&W 49 Bodyguard .38spl) and her hubbies Model 29... they never ask those silly questions..
This is all part of Obama Care. It will be in a data base in Washington that you are a gun owner, and they will come find you when they decide to take them up. If you lie and they find out you lied, they will dismiss you from their care and leave you to die. It will all be cross checked on federal computers. This is all because of Obama.
Birch Knoll
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I'm the last guy on earth to defend Obama on anything, but that's pure unadulterated BS. The American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American College of Physicians have been pressing docs to ask these questions since at least 1999. This is nothing new, and while the Obama crew may look approvingly upon it, they did not invent it.
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Why would they need you to fill out the form if they already have "federal computers" with firearm ownership data to cross check against? Either they already know that you have guns, or they have no idea that you lied on the form.
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I asked this on a previous page and received no answer: do you have a reference for this statement?
Is there a specific document that is part of the 2009 Health Care Bill that you can point to which shows that these questions are new requirements of insurers under the bill?
Lonestar49
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I call, "profiling", "not PC correct" - humm racists ! .. lol
How can this be, happen..?
After all, it's for everyone, including 30 million that can't afford or don't have any, health Insurance, the same for Criminals with a record out of jail, on probation, etc., but will still qualify plus a few illegal aliens..
So, with your theory, one lies then becomes a criminal, he'll still qualify, least one has to hope as - "we have to pass it to see what's in it" and I'm sure there's a part for dogs and cats as well.. (least I'm still hoping it's in the fine print on some page) 
*You got this part right
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How can this be, happen..?
After all, it's for everyone, including 30 million that can't afford or don't have any, health Insurance, the same for Criminals with a record out of jail, on probation, etc., but will still qualify plus a few illegal aliens..
So, with your theory, one lies then becomes a criminal, he'll still qualify, least one has to hope as - "we have to pass it to see what's in it" and I'm sure there's a part for dogs and cats as well..
(least I'm still hoping it's in the fine print on some page) *You got this part right
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jcwit
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If this is in fact the truth, tell me why the Veterans Administration has never asked me these questions?
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If the question is on a printed form just don't answer it. If someone asks in person put them on the defensive by demanding to know what that has to do with anything. If they say that they are required to ask by some government agency, explain that you will not answer without a lawyer present. By that point they will drop it.
Birch Knoll
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I wonder how you reached that conclusion, considering there hasn't been a single pro-Obama comment following your assertion that this is all Obama's doing.
He can't produce any such evidence, because this has been going on since at least 1999, long before Obama.
If you mean this, I suggest you get psychological help and stop getting your education from hate propaganda. Get in touch with the facts of reality.
Statements like yours make gun owners look like paranoid, unintelligent, uneducated, political bigots, and lunatics whether your just a troll or not. Something the anti gun crowd loves. Wise up!
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AirForceShooter
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I've discussed the lying thing with a number of doctors.
Not a single one I knew had ever kicked a patient to the curb for lying.
Not one of them knew any other doctor that had.
2 Commented all patients lie at one time or another.
It's accepted.
AFS
Not a single one I knew had ever kicked a patient to the curb for lying.
Not one of them knew any other doctor that had.
2 Commented all patients lie at one time or another.
It's accepted.
AFS
armoredman
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I thought it was just AG Holder who didn't read his memos...
Sure Doc, as long as we're being so open and trusting, howsabout you give me your debit card number and PIN? Hey, it's a "basic" question!
A couple of points I'd like to make, but first, very good discussion, some interesting points of view.
One I constantly see here, however, is the almost absolute certainty that firearm safety with children MUST mean locking all guns up all the time. Nope. I have a safe that unused firearms are stored in, but personal protection firearms are constantly out, loaded, and usually worn. My son saw a gun on my hip before he could say "dada". He has seen all kinds of guns in all kinds of places, being cleaned, at the range, or even just out for photography,
The firearm in this old picture is very much loaded with a live round under the hammer. My son survived the experience. Would this next one cause the AMA to have a collective heart attack?
He sees Daddy's guns as just another tool, for work and fun, and doesn't really care unless I am inviting him to the range - then it's all smiles. Only thing he gives me grief about is smoking my pipe!
So let's junk this all guns must be constantly locked away for Junior's protection. Active education from loving parents goes far more than hoping small fry won't find the key to the gun safe. Yes, do not leave loaded guns laying about where uneducated or unsafe/ignorant children may access them - when my son's little friends come over, nothing is visible at all, and all SD firearms are under adult direct control. I can't vouch for their parents' "raisin's" nor children's education, and they haven't asked me to teach them. But I refuse to believe that every single firearm in my home must be unloaded and locked up behind steel for fear it may poison my small one's mind or suddenly leap to attack him. Try Massad Ayoobs Gun Proof Your Children pamphlet for a bit more advice.
Last thing, DPotvin said this,
Again I love living in a Free State - I fired one union for exactly that - playing politics with my dues in a way I didn't like. being this is a Right To Work state, I found a different union with a better legal plan, and joined that one instead. If a doctor broke my personal boundaries that I set, I will fire him and find another doctor. But, being this is AZ, I haven't had that issue yet.
Heck, one of the docs that helped my son during his 103 days in NICU after being a preemie came down to the gunshop I worked at and bought a rifle.Oh, and how badly has all this "exposure" hurt my son? Ask him yourself.
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Loosedhorse
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Instead of irrelevant snark, a suggestion:
Next time you go see the doc, open carry. I can almost guarantee you you won't get the "do you own a gun" question.
And if he/she asks anyway, change doctors. No one needs a doc that unobservant, or that stupid.
jmstevens2
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Not to mention many Dr.'s offices are posted as both of mine are.
Loosedhorse
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Does that mean it's fine to go to a doc who has a no-guns policy; and it's only if he asks us a gun question that then we should object?
I can't OC in MA. Haven't had my doc object to my CC yet, though. (He did ask me to stow it out of sight, I presume so his nurse would not be rattled.)
armoredman
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Hmm, I open carried on the treadmill during my stress test, does that count?
BTW, Loosed, what is the definition of "snark"? If you mean being sarcastic to make a point, yes. It's none of their business, and if they want off topic personal information, hey, quid pro quo, fork it over.
BTW, Loosed, what is the definition of "snark"? If you mean being sarcastic to make a point, yes. It's none of their business, and if they want off topic personal information, hey, quid pro quo, fork it over.
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