Does CCP mark you?

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alarm bells whenever a cop runs my plate.
Some of you guys crack me up.

Wonder if the people who worry about getting concealed carry licenses own cell phones, use store "rewards" or "club" cards, have OnStar or other programs on their automobiles, use credit cards and debit cards ... or ever post on internet gun forums from their home computers on their own ISP subscriptions ...

Kinda funny that anyone who posts on an internet gun forum worries that obtaining a gun license from their state government "marks" them ... Talk about trying to close the barn door after the livestock have run out ...

And as we've discussed so many times on this forum, the key to not being forced to interact with one's local gendarmerie, regardless of how one views the current state of law enforcement in this country, is to drive the posted speed limit, utilize those pesky turn-signal thingies, and ensure one's vehicle's lights function properly.

Even so, if one is actually obeying the law by carrying while duly licensed ... why would one worry about whether the cop who stops you knows that you are legal?
 
Don't worry about it. Here in the Asheville area, the only time I was disarmed was before I had my CHP, and the trooper just had me wait at my trunk while he wrote my ticket.

Yes, it "flags" when your tag is ran. Last time I got pulled over, his biggest concern was my car's tag being on my truck... The fact I was legally armed didn't seem to bother him at all.
 
Old Dog said:
...Even so, if one is actually obeying the law by carrying while duly licensed ... why would one worry about whether the cop who stops you knows that you are legal?

Well you could always ask John Filippidis, a silver-haired family man, business owner, employer and taxpayer, is also licensed to carry a concealed firearm. He wasn't even carrying when he was stopped by a Maryland Transportation Authority Police (MTAP)

One might even ask, "If Florida does not release weapons licensing information, how did the MTAP officer, Nine Hundred Miles away just happen to come by the information that Mr Filippdis had a Florida license?

Still funny?
 
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What happens in Maryland, New York state and Illinois has little to do with the rest of the country ... These incidents are so few that if one foregoes getting a CCW license because one is worried about an encounter such as Mr. Fillipidis suffered, well, it's about the same as worrying about winning the Powerball lottery ...
 
Is there a website which defines any regulations for a TN CCW holder driving through MS and into AL, or are the laws for carrying in the car identical?:scrutiny:

Driving through KY into Evansville IN would also be of help during personal visits.

Maybe a CCW version of Mapquest exists?
 
Well you could always ask John Filippidis, a silver-haired family man, business owner, employer and taxpayer, is also licensed to carry a concealed firearm. He wasn't even carrying when he was stopped by a Maryland Transportation Authority Police (MTAP)

Mr. Filippidis had his car searched and then was sent on his way. Searching a car may be a bit over the top but he didn't even get the speeding ticket they pulled him over for.
 
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I think that the Maryland cops just assume that the driver of any car from a state that issues carry permits is carrying.

As for here in Arizona, I don’t worry about it. The state data base of CCW holders is not available by law. It’s only available (I think) to law enforcement on the basis of “Does John Jones have a permit” type of inquiry. I’ve been stopped twice years ago and the first question was “Are there any weapons in the vehicle?” then it’s license, registration, etc. and that was before AZ became constitutional carry.
 
I have yet to see a CWP pop up on someone's license return. I generally see their permit while they rifle through their wallet for proof of insurance.

Some people will politely tell me they are carrying. Others simply don't bring it up. I like when they tell me, but it does not change my approach to the incident/stop.

Sometimes it leads to fun and interesting conversations with them about their carry guns. I could spend all shift talking about guns, but the shenanigans never stop.
 
Old Dog said:
Even so, if one is actually obeying the law by carrying while duly licensed ... why would one worry about whether the cop who stops you knows that you are legal?
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It is a puzzler. Only 9 states require you to notify the LEO on official contact, and unless I'm in one of them, I remain silent unless directly asked by the officer.

I think the 41 in the majority have got it right. And every LEO I've ever known, and that is hundreds, work on the assumption that anyone could be carrying.
 
In Michigan it comes up when they run the plate, if the registered owner of the vehicle's plate has a CPL. They don't know who the driver might be until they ask for ID, and you are required to disclose first thing.
Actually they have changed it to where the officer has to specifically request if the owner has a CPL , and if it goes to court be able to have RAS as to why he requested it.

But just this year it got put into law to start on Dec 1 that you get a mandatory punishment of a fine or jail time if you don't inform as soon as an officer approaches your car.
 
4thPointofContact writes:

It used to be in Georgia, that not having a license in your immediate possession was also a crime when carrying. Lately it was replaced with a law very similar to the law violated by someone having forgotten their wallet or purse in haste to go somewhere. One must pay a $10 "don't do that again ya'hear?" slap on the wrist if a valid license can be produced in court instead of becoming a hardened criminal. I would recommend everyone contact their representative and push for similar legislation in their state

It's not a crime in Florida, either. You are referring to carrying a firearm while not in possession of an already-issued license. Like your Georgia, this is a non-criminal infraction, subject to an "administrative" fee of not more than $25.

It is a felony in Florida to carry a firearm (with a few exceptions) concealed without having a valid license at all.
 
I don't drive over the speed limit, nor do I give the police any other reason to pull me over.
 
Agreeing with the responses thus far. Marked? Yes, the cop pulling me over know immediately that I'm not a felon and have been cleared by my state to carry a gun concealed. I've had one ticket in 11 years of concealed carry (new construction zone in busy metro area...my bad). I don't have a story about the cop lighting up with a smile and talking guns, but it was a non-issue. Asked me where I had it on me and then asked me to leave it where it is while we process the ticket. That being said, my wife took the kids to Canada for a long weekend. The Canadian border patrol gave her the third degree about guns or ammo on board. She did not have anything as we were aware of the law, but the Canadian authorities knew that the car would likely have a gun in it. I'm ok with my plates alerting US cops that we have CHLs, but I'm not ok with a FOREIGN government having access to my gun ownership data.
 
Agreeing with the responses thus far. Marked? Yes, the cop pulling me over know immediately that I'm not a felon and have been cleared by my state to carry a gun concealed. I've had one ticket in 11 years of concealed carry (new construction zone in busy metro area...my bad). I don't have a story about the cop lighting up with a smile and talking guns, but it was a non-issue. Asked me where I had it on me and then asked me to leave it where it is while we process the ticket. That being said, my wife took the kids to Canada for a long weekend. The Canadian border patrol gave her the third degree about guns or ammo on board. She did not have anything as we were aware of the law, but the Canadian authorities knew that the car would likely have a gun in it. I'm ok with my plates alerting US cops that we have CHLs, but I'm not ok with a FOREIGN government having access to my gun ownership data.
Yeah, imagine getting the third degree when traveling via airplane to a foreign country and being marked there too thanks to the UN Arms Trade treaty or whatever other reciprocal agreements they have with the US for intelligence sharing on peasants.
They've turned the CCP into a scarlet letter.
 
Great thread, and excellent question.
Frankly, it's the reason why I don't carry currently.
If I got an OH CCW license, it would ring alarm bells whenever a cop runs my plate. It's all tied in.
No thanks.

If you read about encounters in Ohio gun forums, 99% are no big deal.

When my son was a student at Bowling Green, he drove a car registered in my name. The one time he got stopped, the cop asked him if there were any guns in the car. My son replied, "No, my dad is the one with the concealed carry license." Later on while chatting with the cop my son told the cop he was working in Toledo. The BG cop said, "You should be carrying too."
 
"thermactor" says
Yeah, imagine getting the third degree when traveling via airplane to a foreign country and being marked there too thanks to the UN Arms Trade treaty or whatever other reciprocal agreements they have with the US for intelligence sharing on peasants.

Hmm. I've done a fair bit of traveling to a few foreign countries even recently, including border crossings North and South, and have never received the "third degree" ... "Intelligence sharing on peasants?" Puh-leeeze ...

Methinks the tin foil hat brigade is starting to come out ...

They've turned the CCP into a scarlet letter.
Did you type this with a straight face?
 
Same here in FL
It may have changed lately but a few years ago there was a newspaper or TV news station that published the entire database for the state of Florida. And the fact that you have been issued a concealed carry permit did come up when they ran your license. You just had no duty to inform as to whether or not you were carrying.
 
JSH1 said:
Mr. Filippidis had his car searched and then was sent on his way. Searching a car may be a bit over the top but he didn't even get the speeding ticket they pulled him over for.
You don't find it at all odd that they spent somewhere between an hour and a half and two hours searching for -
1) something that did not exist (as it was Nine Hundred Miles away)
2) something they had no reasonable suspicion existed (as the policy of Florida is not to release licensing information to outside parties)

And the reason they kicked him loose' after detaining him for an unreasonable amount of time instead of citing him for an infraction the MTOD officer was practically guaranteed to win in court (your word that you weren't speeding against a 'sworn officer of the law's word that you were) is because he would then lack standing to bring suit against MTDO and Maryland as he was not "injured" by the MTOD's actions.


We're not all as stupid as the cops hope and pray we are.
 
In Arkansas, if the officer runs a DL# through ACIC (Arkansas Crime Information Center), CHCL information pops up in the driver's record. I've had "official contact" with officers on 3 separate occasions since I got my CHCL, and I was carrying every time. Because AR is also a shall-inform state, I did so. Every time, I got the equivalent of, "OK. Just don't get it out" from the officers.

4thPointOfContact said:
And the reason they kicked him loose' after detaining him for an unreasonable amount of time instead of citing him for an infraction the MTOD officer was practically guaranteed to win in court (your word that you weren't speeding against a 'sworn officer of the law's word that you were) is because he would then lack standing to bring suit against MTDO and Maryland as he was not "injured" by the MTOD's actions.
Under those facts, a citation is not necessary to establish standing. If the search & seizure was unreasonable, a constitutional injury alone is sufficient to form the basis for standing.
 
Pilot said:
I don't drive over the speed limit, nor do I give the police any other reason to pull me over.
They don't need a reason, they only need a pretext.
"Sir, we stopped you because we noticed that your tag light was out. I know it works fine now but when we were behind you it wasn't working. Is that... is that marijuana I smell?"

For over a decade I used to travel a little over 50k Miles per year working. Many times I'd be coming home late at night (3AM not exactly unheard of) and I was stopped three times for a "burned out tag light." Each time was in the same podunk town (I lived there, I can call it that), for the same 'infraction', at the same time. In all those years never, not even ONCE did I replace a burned out tag light. It was never 'burned out' when other police cars were behind me, it was never 'burned out' in inclement weather, but only when it was convenient for me to be pulled over by KPD. Imagine that.
 
Spats McGee said:
In Arkansas, if the officer runs a DL# through ACIC (Arkansas Crime Information Center), CHCL information pops up in the driver's record. I've had "official contact" with officers on 3 separate occasions since I got my CHCL, and I was carrying every time. Because AR is also a shall-inform state, I did so. Every time, I got the equivalent of, "OK. Just don't get it out" from the officers.
A small correction if I may...
What I'm sure you mean is "... if the officer runs an ARKANSAS (or other state that shares licensing information) Driver's license through ACIC..."

I can assure you that if my license were to be run through ACIC that there would be no firearms licensing information returned.
1) Per § 16-11-129(k) It is illegal to create or maintain a multi-jurisdictional data base of information regarding persons issued weapons carry licenses.
- Means we don't share-

2) Per § 16-11-129(l) The only thing the probate court may reveal about a licensee is whether or not a license is valid and legitimate.
- Sort of a 'yes' or 'no' thing.

3) Per § 16-11-130, there are sixteen classes of people who do not require a Georgia Weapons License to carry a firearm. They won't show up on any ACIC license inquiry. I'm one of those special classes, even though it does not apply out of my state.
 
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I was reluctant to have my name entered into the system of CCW holders, as Ohio always had an affirmative defense long before it issued permits. I eventually came to the realization that the fact that I was a gun owner was probably no secret to the state anyways, and unless you've never been employed, never ysed a credit card, never had a bank account, or a birth certificate, there is no way to be off the government grid. There are also more gun owners than those who don't in Ohio, so I reasoned it was easier to maintain a low profile in the larger group. In Ohio, your hunting license is tied to your drivers license as well as your CCL, which is also tied to your vehicle registration. The license is for the individual to carry, and is not tied to firearms ownership, or specific guns owned or carried. No guns are registered. The police know if you are a CCL holder before they ever get out of their car. In Ohio you must inform them if you are carrying. To me, its a good idea anyways so as not to "surprise" them, and for the same reason I keep my hands in plain sight on the wheel when I get pulled over. If I were a cop, what would I want to see? It's also a good idea to inform them if you are NOT carrying since they already know you have a CCL, and it makes them feel more at ease. I advised my son to do the same since his vehicle is registered to me.

In general I have found that most cops here are generally supportive, and I was surprised that some of the local sheriff departments were actually promoting CCLs. After i got my training certificate, I went to the sherriff who issues permits here, and was expecting an interrogation, and instead was warmly congratulated. In my small town, it common to be pulled over for really dumb stuff when they are fishing. I have not been pulled over since I got my CCL almost two years ago, and I believe it is because I have it.

The one thing the officer in our CC class said that made sense to me was "Once I determine the identity of the driver is also the CCL holder, I can breath a lot easier."

Another importnat thing to keep in mind is that I've always believed a license to carry was unconstitutional, but at the same time, the sheer number of CCLs out there is the stepping stone to the restoration of Constitutional carry. We lost our rights incrementally, and we can only get them back in the same way. When you obtain a CCL, you are casting your vote for Constitutional carry.
 
Posted by Thermactor:
Frankly, it's the reason why I don't carry currently.
If I got an OH CCW license, it would ring alarm bells whenever a cop runs my plate. It's all tied in. No thanks.
Is there a reason why those "alarm bells" would cause you concern?

Those of us who do carry generally do so to mitigate the risk of being victimized by violent criminals.

They bring with them their own brand of "alarm bells".
 
I was reluctant to have my name entered into the system of CCW holders, as Ohio always had an affirmative defense long before it issued permits. I eventually came to the realization that the fact that I was a gun owner was probably no secret to the state anyways, and unless you've never been employed, never ysed a credit card, never had a bank account, or a birth certificate, there is no way to be off the government grid. There are also more gun owners than those who don't in Ohio, so I reasoned it was easier to maintain a low profile in the larger group. In Ohio, your hunting license is tied to your drivers license as well as your CCL, which is also tied to your vehicle registration. The license is for the individual to carry, and is not tied to firearms ownship, or specific guns ownded or carried. The police know if you are a CCL holder before they ever get out of their car. In Ohio you must inform them if you are carrying. To me, its a good idea anyways so as not to "surprise" them, and for the same reason I keep my hands in plain sight on the wheel when I get pulled over. If I were a cop, what would I want to see? It's also a good idea to inform them if you are NOT carrying since they already know you have a CCL, and it makes them feel more at ease. I advised my son to do the same since his vehicle is registered to me.

In general I have found that most cops here are generally supportive, and I was surprised that some of the local sheriff departments were actually promoting CCLs. After i got my training certificate, I went to the sherriff who issues permits here, and was expecting an interrogation, and instead was warmly congratulated. In my small town, it common to be pulled over for really dumb stuff when they are fishing. I have not been pulled over since I got my CCL almost two years ago, and I believe it is because I have it.

The one thing the officer in our CC class said that made sense to me was "Once I determine the identity of the driver is also the CCL holder, I can breath a lot easier."

Another importnat thing to keep in mind is that I've always believed a license to carry was unconstitutional, but at the same time, the sheer number of CCLs out there is the stepping stone to the restoration of Constitutional carry. We lost our rights incrementally, and we can only get them back in the same way. When you obtain a CCL, you are casting your vote for Constitutional carry.
 
I lived in Texas most of my adult life, and since I got my CHL I have been stopped a couple of times in Texas. My practice has been to hand them my DL on top of my CHL. Never had an issue, and most of the time they hand my CHL back with some kind of comment like "Good idea these days."

Now I live in New Mexico and have had about the same experience except they set up DUI checkpoints here, something not done in Texas. I've been checked three times and each time my CHL is with my DL, and it's usually handed right back here as well. I got stopped once in Albuquerque last year and the officer had no comment about the CHL but I didn't get a ticket either. Speeding 8 over the posted limit of 40, my fault.

Oh yeah, no tickets in Texas either. I think the CHL shows the holder to be a good guy in spite of the occasional heavy foot.
 
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