Does it exist?? SA auto hammer down!

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Has a single action semi auto ever been made that can safely be carried on a loaded chamber with the hammer down? Some part of me wants to be able to draw single action revolver style except with an automatic. Or maybe im just subconsciously yearning for a revolver:rolleyes:
 
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I'm no expert in this area, but it is my understanding that any of the guns using a transfer bar can safely be carried with 6.
 
Sure, carry a 1911 or pretty much any other SAO auto hammer down. It's perfectly safe, the dangerous part is lowering the hammer.

Of course... I see no reason to carry that way just because you think it's cool.
 
Yeah but a 1911 with the hamer down is a paper weight. A USP can be fired DAO, so hammer down safety off carry is doable. Any handgun that is SA/DA is capable.
 
Single-Action Only guns by definition don't do anything when you simply pull the trigger if it isn't cocked. That sort of leaves out any of the DA/SA options which would cock and fire if you pulled the trigger.

All common 1911s and other styles of "modern" single action autopistols have inertial firing pins that don't rest on the primer when the hammer is down, and so can be carried hammer-down.

But why? It sounds kind of like you're doing it for "yukks" or the cool factor (such as it might be) of thumb cocking on the draw. Some folks really are scared of cocked-and-locked carry and so are compelled to only carry hammer down.

If you're not so handicapped, leave off the "stupid gun tricks" and just carry it like normal.
 
Hk Dan,
Thats why USP is the best in my opinion. It can be carried in any which way you desire. Locked, C&L, just C, decoked and even decocked & locked. :)
 
Para Ordnance and Dae-Woo made SA pistols that let you push the hammer down so it doesn't look "scary". Solution in search of a problem. Neither took the world by storm.
 
There's a nice selection of DA/SA guns with decockers and external hammers. Pick whichever one you like and simply ignore the DA feature. You can safely drop the hammer, safely carry with the hammer down on a loaded chamber, and draw, thumb-cock, and fire with a consistent single-action pull.

Or you could just get that cowboy revolver you really want... :)
 
PoserHoser said:
Has a single action semi auto ever been made that can safely be carried on a loaded chamber with the hammer down? Some part of me wants to be able to draw single action revolver style except with an automatic. Or maybe im just subconsciously yearning for a revolver:rolleyes:
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Jeff Cooper who brought back the 1911 to public life, called it Condition Three. It is safe on a 1911, or a SAO SIG Sauer, or any modern semi-auto. In addition, some of them allow safety on, uncocked.
 
Yes there is a SA pistol that can be carried with the hammer down. It is seen in the terrific pistols formerly made by Daewoo and now sold under the Lionheart name. They feature a unique tri-action trigger that allows one to safely push the cocked hammer down, then with a longer than normal, but very light, pull of the trigger the hammer snaps up and fires as a SA. Very cool.

They also fire as a traditional SA or DA as well... hence the term "Tri-Action."
 
OK, for clarity, the question is...
Has a single action semi auto ever been made that can safely be carried on a loaded chamber with the hammer down? Some part of me wants to be able to draw single action revolver style except with an automatic.
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My understanding is the OP is looking for a single action autoloader, which we all know, by definition of the term single action, is a firearm where the trigger will only drop the hammer, not cock it. In other words, the gun will not fire when the trigger is pulled with the hammer down.

So you guys, such as Hk Dan, el Godfather, MikeJackmin, usp9, and whoever may pop in before I get this typed, are you answering the OP's question or are you answering some other question. I ask because I'm not that familiar with the HK varieties. Is there an HK variant where you can pull the trigger with the hammer down, with no safety engaged, and the hammer will not retract and subsequently fire the gun?
 
Cylinder and Slide's Safe Fast Shooting system cocks the hammer when the safety is disengaged. FN used it on some of the last Hi Powers. The kit is also available for 1911s.
 
The question has been answered, and it is yes.

1911s, HiPowers, and pretty much any modern SAO handguns can be carried hammer down safely and then cocked during the draw similar to how you'd need to cock a single action revolver as long as you're capable of safely lowering the hammer to begin with.

But... Why would you unless you're scared of cocked and locked?

As a side note... I believe at least one 1911 variant was designed with this in mind, a Detonics model I think.
 
Hk Dan,
Thats why USP is the best in my opinion. It can be carried in any which way you desire. Locked, C&L, just C, decoked and even decocked & locked.
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The USP is hardly unique in this sense. I would argue most of HK's newer guns really are an improvement on the USP. There are also other guns that allow those carry variations yet don't have such horrible triggers and/or are not as clunky.

Is there an HK variant where you can pull the trigger with the hammer down, with no safety engaged, and the hammer will not retract and subsequently fire the gun?
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There is to the best of my knowledge no SAO for the USP, HK 45/45c, P2000 et al or P30 et al. There are LEM and then various DA/SA configurations.

However a DA/SA gun would allow one to do what the OP is stating. Many DA/SA guns would also allow for safer de-cocking than many SAO guns. Of course many DA/SA guns have hammers with short spurs because drawing one while cocking is a stupid idea and thus they are not designed to facilitate that. Really there are plenty

Some part of me wants to be able to draw single action revolver style except with an automatic. Or maybe im just subconsciously yearning for a revolver
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I'm not sure why you want to do this. If we are talking about defensive carry then it becomes a really dumb idea and potentially a huge liability. I think you may be subconsciously yearning for a ND lowering the hammer repeatedly and needlessly on SAO gun.
 
Ok I've got the perfect gun for you - the beretta 950 with the tip-up barrel. True single action, exposed hammer, safe carry with hammer down. They made a similar gun in .380 I think.

Personally, I don't consider any other true single- action autos to be safe when carried with the hammer down on a live round - because the process of lowering the hammer is intrinsically unsafe. Yes, I've done it plenty of times myself. It's not hard. But it's not safe.
 
Some part of me wants to be able to draw single action revolver style except with an automatic. Or maybe im just subconsciously yearning for a revolver
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I'm not sure why you want to do this. If we are talking about defensive carry then it becomes a really dumb idea and potentially a huge liability. I think you may be subconsciously yearning for a ND lowering the hammer repeatedly and needlessly on SAO gun.
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I agree completely.

Once more, the answer is a resounding YES. It IS safe to carry a gun like a 1911 with the hammer down over a live round.

However, the PURPOSE here seems to be a goofy stylistic thing wanting to look like an old school badass thumb-cocking his gun.

Defensive carry of a firearm is VERY serious business. Triviality and silly play-acting have no place in it.
 
If you're going to carry a single action semi with the hammer down you might as well carry a rock.
 
Once more, the answer is a resounding YES. It IS safe to carry a gun like a 1911 with the hammer down over a live round.

However, the PURPOSE here seems to be a goofy stylistic thing wanting to look like an old school badass thumb-cocking his gun.

Defensive carry of a firearm is VERY serious business. Triviality and silly play-acting have no place in it.
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I take it the sarcasm wasn't well recieved. I was simply wondering if it was mechanically safe. My ccw is a Glock. My 1911 is for horseback carry.
 
The TT33 Tokarev is actually designed to be carried that way.
Thats why USP is the best in my opinion. It can be carried in any which way you desire. Locked, C&L, just C, decoked and even decocked & locked
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IIRC the safety on a USP doesn't lock anything, as the slide can be racked with the safety on.
 
Polish Radom. Colt/John Browning design-inspired, a single-action pistol with a slide-mounted hammer-dropping lever.
CS52 also is an SA pistol with a hammer-dropper.
 
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Hk Dan,
Thats why USP is the best in my opinion. It can be carried in any which way you desire. Locked, C&L, just C, decoked and even decocked & locked. :)
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Yeah, unless you make up your mind as to how you want to carry your gun, then buy accordingly.

Seriously, changing the condition of carry based on the vagaries of mood, or whatever, seems like a particularly bad idea.
 
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