JohnBT
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Why did they start calling those shell holders on the receiver sidesaddles? They don't look anything at all like a real sidesaddle.
John
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Doesn't anyone have a sporting shotgun any more?
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MCgunner
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I don't even like tacticool rifles. I have a SKS I got cheap and put a folder on it just for a range toy. It carries awfully clumsy in the field. I much prefer my other SKS rifle with normal sporting stock for actual use, great truck/bum around gun in the field. I used to have a scope mounted on it for hunting, but took it off. I have much better hunting rifles. Stupid to use an SKS when you have a 7 mag, .308, and .257 Roberts to choose from.
I keep the folder on the paratooper carbine. It's my concession to the tacticool crowd.
I have a 20 round fixed mag on it, too. Now, on my rifle, I put a 5 round fixed mag. The 10 rounder sticks out too far and it's right at the balance point where I like to carry the rifle in one hand. Practical ergos always seem to run counter to tacticool with me. Just the way it is. Now, I like my 92 carbine for a bum around gun, but the SKS is a lot tougher and easier to unload when I'm through than jackin' rounds out of a tube magazine.
My other favorite bum around gun is a shotgun, my Spartan 20 gauge coach gun. I put the cylinder choke in the left barrel, rear trigger, and load a slug, put whatever choke in the right barrel, front trigger for a shot load and have a combination gun. It's very light and ergonomically friendly in the field.
I keep the folder on the paratooper carbine. It's my concession to the tacticool crowd.
I have a 20 round fixed mag on it, too. Now, on my rifle, I put a 5 round fixed mag. The 10 rounder sticks out too far and it's right at the balance point where I like to carry the rifle in one hand. Practical ergos always seem to run counter to tacticool with me. Just the way it is. Now, I like my 92 carbine for a bum around gun, but the SKS is a lot tougher and easier to unload when I'm through than jackin' rounds out of a tube magazine.My other favorite bum around gun is a shotgun, my Spartan 20 gauge coach gun. I put the cylinder choke in the left barrel, rear trigger, and load a slug, put whatever choke in the right barrel, front trigger for a shot load and have a combination gun. It's very light and ergonomically friendly in the field.
KevinAbbeyTech
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I will be starting a turkey hunting thread soon.
al g blenny
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I must admit that I buy guns based partially on looks. That's why I have a 1911 and an AR. They also happen to be good guns. I don't own a Desert Ego. Thing is that I find tactical shotguns terrible looking. I love O/Us even though they are less useful than a nice semi-auto. I have an Ithica 37 and I pick up my first O/U in 7 days. Black shotguns are uuuuuuuuugly. I think the best looking boom sticks have wood.
WalkAbout
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I have a Mossberg 835 that functions as both a sporting shotgun and as a HD weapon. 3" double-ought makes a hell of an impart irregardless of whether you shot it from a tactical shotgun or a sporting shotgun.
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Sorry Folks,I didn't mean to start such a debate.I simply made a suggestion.In defense,tho,I've noticed many new threads from ave folks wanting info on starting out in the shooting sports.I have replied many times to assist them.I 've read other replies,many very informative,some not,some elitist,some pushing "tacticool",some pushing their faves,,etc,etc,etc. These newbies are always overwhelmed by the abundance and variety of advice.I have read thru these threads and any starter should glean enuff info to make an informed decision as to his/her first shotgun.Most of the advice comes from the sporting crowd BUT NOT ALL!The tactical crowd also kicks in useful info.Everything should be taken into account in order to make an informed decisiion.At the same time I would like to see a split forum,but not if it would damage the forum.Perhaps we should take "The High ROAD"
Sorry Folks,I didn't mean to start such a debate.I simply made a suggestion.In defense,tho,I've noticed many new threads from ave folks wanting info on starting out in the shooting sports.I have replied many times to assist them.I 've read other replies,many very informative,some not,some elitist,some pushing "tacticool",some pushing their faves,,etc,etc,etc. These newbies are always overwhelmed by the abundance and variety of advice.I have read thru these threads and any starter should glean enuff info to make an informed decision as to his/her first shotgun.Most of the advice comes from the sporting crowd BUT NOT ALL!The tactical crowd also kicks in useful info.Everything should be taken into account in order to make an informed decisiion.At the same time I would like to see a split forum,but not if it would damage the forum.Perhaps we should take "The High ROAD"
MCgunner
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Uh, I think it's "gobble, gobble" or "cluck, cluck" unless you're hunting chickens.
KevinAbbeyTech
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I already did, its called "Let's see your turkey gun..."
Here is a link
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=429256
Also, hunting chickens is fun so long as they are yours.
Shotguns are overkill for that though.
Just get them with a .22.
Sauer Grapes
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If I want HD I pick up my P250 SIG! My shot guns are for fun fun fun!!!
Sagetown
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Got this little .410 Mossberg Silver Reserve back in "07". I must say the birds have a much better chance of survival up against these small shotguns. I get more misses than hits when hunting these little fellas. I've watched birds go unscathed even though the pattern shown they were right in the center of the shot as they flew over water. Haven't tried it on squirrel yet, but I think I'll have a better average with them.
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No "tacticool" shottys in my stable.
The current roster:
Browning Citori White lighting 12 ga.
Winchester Mdl. 12 16 ga. (mfd. 1940)
Winchester Mdl. '97 (mfd. 1934)
Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 ga.
Remington 870 Special Purpose Deer 12 ga.
Winchester 1200 Ranger 12 ga.
L.C. Smith Side by Side 12 ga. hammer gun (mfd. 1912)
Stevens Mdl. 5000 Side by Side 20 ga. (my dad's first shotgun)
British-made side by side hammer gun (black powder) from the 1880's
The current roster:
Browning Citori White lighting 12 ga.
Winchester Mdl. 12 16 ga. (mfd. 1940)
Winchester Mdl. '97 (mfd. 1934)
Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 ga.
Remington 870 Special Purpose Deer 12 ga.
Winchester 1200 Ranger 12 ga.
L.C. Smith Side by Side 12 ga. hammer gun (mfd. 1912)
Stevens Mdl. 5000 Side by Side 20 ga. (my dad's first shotgun)
British-made side by side hammer gun (black powder) from the 1880's
I have a couple............
I do have a 590 Mossberg 12 ga., w/20" brrl
But, I also have a Mossberg 500, 12 ga. turkey gun.It has a modified choke insert right now, as a spare for rabbit hunting.
And, I have a Mossberg 500 12 ga. field gun.
And, I have an old Stoeger 12 ga., SxS birdgun, imp & imp.
But, my favorite for a walk up in the woods is an old NEF single 12ga.
DSW has her own, an 870 Express 12 ga. w/ extended magazine.
She shoots the turkey gun when she goes hunting.
We like shotgunning.
I do have a 590 Mossberg 12 ga., w/20" brrl
But, I also have a Mossberg 500, 12 ga. turkey gun.It has a modified choke insert right now, as a spare for rabbit hunting.
And, I have a Mossberg 500 12 ga. field gun.
And, I have an old Stoeger 12 ga., SxS birdgun, imp & imp.
But, my favorite for a walk up in the woods is an old NEF single 12ga.
DSW has her own, an 870 Express 12 ga. w/ extended magazine.
She shoots the turkey gun when she goes hunting.
We like shotgunning.
Birdhunter1
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Well if you've seen 4 870 Wingmasters then you've seen 100, same goes for Browning A5's and Remington 1100's.
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I traded my trap gun for my first AR last year. No more shotguns.
Will Fennell: pretty shotgun , pretty dog.
Done a lot more sporting with my shotguns that I've done 'tactical' stuff. I'm no expert, I'm just a guy that would rather shoot guns than eat.
My 'sportiest' shotgun:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=45867&d=1160001106
I have an 870 with a couple barrels that I can configure for upland, ducks, deer (though seriously sitting in a wet muddy hole and calling it hunting is close to insane) or 'gun games' its all the shotgun I ever needed.
UNTIL I saw that Pedersoli.
Done a lot more sporting with my shotguns that I've done 'tactical' stuff. I'm no expert, I'm just a guy that would rather shoot guns than eat.
My 'sportiest' shotgun:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=45867&d=1160001106
I have an 870 with a couple barrels that I can configure for upland, ducks, deer (though seriously sitting in a wet muddy hole and calling it hunting is close to insane) or 'gun games' its all the shotgun I ever needed.
UNTIL I saw that Pedersoli.
30mag
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All mine are sporters.
An 870 Wingmaster (12 ga) with a freaking long barrel and a full choke.
Another 870 (20 ga) that has a more reasonable barrel length and a modified choke.
And MY shotgun is an Remmy 1100 in 12 ga. Modified choke. I inherited it from my grandfather. He won it in a raffle back in the day.
An 870 Wingmaster (12 ga) with a freaking long barrel and a full choke.
Another 870 (20 ga) that has a more reasonable barrel length and a modified choke.
And MY shotgun is an Remmy 1100 in 12 ga. Modified choke. I inherited it from my grandfather. He won it in a raffle back in the day.
30mag
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All original pretty wood stocks of course.
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I have to say that after my Iraq tour and having bought an AR, I shoot a lot more with the pistol grip weapons I used to.
I bought a SBEII last year because my "Old Reliable" Winchester Ranger 12 ga pump went down and I was having a HELLUVA time finding a gunsmith to bring OR in to be looked at. I lived in a town right next to a college, and gunsmiths were in high demand and short supply...
But I digress... I was pheasant hunting in SD with my new SBEII and even though it was MUCH lighter than OR, I still found myself carrying it over a shoulder, or in the crook of an arm making target acquisition a bit slower than if I'd been carrying the shotgun in a "low ready" like I did when I was in Iraq. I find that I can hold THAT position all day long.
So I'm trying to get my SBEII set up kind of like an M4 or M2. It's not a tactical thing brothers... I think that at some point, the "Old Reliable" way of doing things, just might not be the best way... At least, that's what I've found.
I have to say that after my Iraq tour and having bought an AR, I shoot a lot more with the pistol grip weapons I used to.
I bought a SBEII last year because my "Old Reliable" Winchester Ranger 12 ga pump went down and I was having a HELLUVA time finding a gunsmith to bring OR in to be looked at. I lived in a town right next to a college, and gunsmiths were in high demand and short supply...
But I digress... I was pheasant hunting in SD with my new SBEII and even though it was MUCH lighter than OR, I still found myself carrying it over a shoulder, or in the crook of an arm making target acquisition a bit slower than if I'd been carrying the shotgun in a "low ready" like I did when I was in Iraq. I find that I can hold THAT position all day long.
So I'm trying to get my SBEII set up kind of like an M4 or M2. It's not a tactical thing brothers... I think that at some point, the "Old Reliable" way of doing things, just might not be the best way... At least, that's what I've found.
chas08
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First let me say "Thank You" for defending our Country and what we stand for. But... Do you have to be "combat ready" for pheasant? They are not out to "Kill you back" The ergonomics of a pistol grip stock may be very pleasant to carry. But how does it work for actual wingshooting?
From chas08: "Do you have to be "combat ready" for pheasant? They are not out to "Kill you back" The ergonomics of a pistol grip stock may be very pleasant to carry. But how does it work for actual wingshooting?"
You're right, those evil Zombie Pheasants aren't as dangerous as those Turkey Zombies...
To me, it's about being ready. The faster I can bring the shotgun to shoulder, the faster I can acquire my targer, and shoot accurately at a shorter distance.
Take your shotgun and put it in the "classic" arm-crook position. Now see how long it takes you to shoulder the shotgun.
Then put it over your shoulder and do the same thing. Now as I'm walking, because of the angle of the normal shotgun grip, I tend to turn the shogun over so the top of the shotgun is facing up... less painful on my messed up wrists.
We all do something like this, and we all think we can flip the shotgun down to our shoulder fast, acquire the target, adjust the shotgun so we're actually beading the bird, and pull the trigger... and of course, kill the bird every time.
Now, with my AR or M-4 Carbine, I used a Low-Ready position that's very common to all Infantry guys on LONG LONG LONG patrols. But I can hold that position all day and it's comfortable. I can put that shogun in my shoulder very quickly (becuase you HAVE to be able to) and shoot accurately... (because you HAVE to be able to).
Try it. Just because the pheasants won't shoot back doesn't mean I'm okay with not killing what I'm shooting at.
In my opinion, the pistol grip is more ergonomic. You're not bending or twisting your wrist in odd positions, and you're actually pointing at the target. Wingers or Haji... makes no difference. They're both elusive and fast. And when I shoot at them, I expect the same thing in the end...
And if that works for Zombies too??? GREAT!!
Will the Benelli M-2 barrell fit on my SBEII???
You're right, those evil Zombie Pheasants aren't as dangerous as those Turkey Zombies...
To me, it's about being ready. The faster I can bring the shotgun to shoulder, the faster I can acquire my targer, and shoot accurately at a shorter distance.
Take your shotgun and put it in the "classic" arm-crook position. Now see how long it takes you to shoulder the shotgun.
Then put it over your shoulder and do the same thing. Now as I'm walking, because of the angle of the normal shotgun grip, I tend to turn the shogun over so the top of the shotgun is facing up... less painful on my messed up wrists.
We all do something like this, and we all think we can flip the shotgun down to our shoulder fast, acquire the target, adjust the shotgun so we're actually beading the bird, and pull the trigger... and of course, kill the bird every time.
Now, with my AR or M-4 Carbine, I used a Low-Ready position that's very common to all Infantry guys on LONG LONG LONG patrols. But I can hold that position all day and it's comfortable. I can put that shogun in my shoulder very quickly (becuase you HAVE to be able to) and shoot accurately... (because you HAVE to be able to).
Try it. Just because the pheasants won't shoot back doesn't mean I'm okay with not killing what I'm shooting at.
In my opinion, the pistol grip is more ergonomic. You're not bending or twisting your wrist in odd positions, and you're actually pointing at the target. Wingers or Haji... makes no difference. They're both elusive and fast. And when I shoot at them, I expect the same thing in the end...
And if that works for Zombies too??? GREAT!!
Will the Benelli M-2 barrell fit on my SBEII???
chas08
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My apologies for misleading you on my query. I served in the military 35 years ago and am familiar with the M16. I still own an AR15 and have since the mid 80's. I find the pistol grip stocks great for rifles but I don't think I would care for it on a wingshooting shotgun. I like the bird to get some distance so I'm throwing beach ball size patterns and not softball size. Also I wonder about the orientation of the safety switch with a pistol grip. Different strokes for different folks. Thats what makes this forum interesting.
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