Dog went after my kid - 1 year later

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First off this was a post I made 1 year ago and it was quickly deleted because of legal problems the Mods thought I might have had to put up with. More about this at the end.. I still think it is an interesting story because I am told all is well that ends well...

"Let me start off with me and my family are dog lovers. Well, we just moved into a nice neighborhood last week. And the next door neighbors have a german shepard that tears the boards off in the backyard fence bordering our houses. I was going to buy some new lumber and rebuild the fence where he tears it up because I have 3 kids that like to play outside in the back, and I dont want them to have to deal with those things...

Well I haven't fixed the fence yet but today we're hanging out out front in the garage with the door open and the neighbor lets the dog out in the front and it goes after the two kids (about 5 and 7 years old) across the culdesac. Well it jumps down the 7 year old boy and the kids parents and my father-in-law run out there and scare the dog away. The kid ends up with just a large scratch or bite on his arm no ambulance or anything (luckily). The whole time the dogs owner is standing in his front doorway watching this... He doesn't do anything but hollar at the dog and put it back in the house. We tell the family across the way that they better call police, they say they will and that this is the 3rd time that dog attacked their kid.(unbelievable) !!

Now we are feeling a bit scared because this dog attacked kids in front of our eyes. I get the Taurus 9mm out of the closet and put it in the desk drawer in the garage just in case because we are sitting out front watching the 3 year old play in the front yard. We never thought the neighbor would be so stupid as to let the dog out again.

Well 20 mins later the police still didnt show up and my wife says the neighbor came out with the dog again (I am in garage and can't see the front of their house). So i get the pistol and stick it in the small of my back and run down to the sidewalk to get my 3-year-old out of there. Well I put my son behind me and I see the neighbor wrestling the dog down in the street by it's collar (no leash or choke-chain). Well the dog pulls its head right out of the collar and runs right toward me (with my son about 2 feet behind me). I draw and fire 3 quick shots at it (it stopped dead about 2 feet from where I was standing, WWB target ammo). Then the neighbor says to me "you shot the dog???". I said "yep" and brought my kid in the garage and had wife call 911 immediately.

Now the cops show up and ask me what happened and I told them, they asked me if "my life or the life of my family member was in danger", I said of course it was. The police took statements of me and the people across the way whose kid got attacked first, They don't speak much english. The cop then said that the Seargent had to give him the OK on any shoot in the city limits (San Antonio). A few minutes later the cop says that seargent says all is ok, for us to go in and call it a night. Then I hear the cop get in an argument with the neighbor saying that the cop see's kids get mauled by dogs every day and I was in the right, but the neighbor said that it's all BS and there had to be something illegal here and if the cops don't take care of it then he will.

This is a terrible way to come to a new neighborhood, and I wish it never happened. But like my father said, I would be feeling a lot worse if my kid was in the ER with his cheek hanging off his face right now. From what we could tell these neighbors were friends with most of the folks in the culdesac (after it happened they were telling all the neighbors we shot their dog) and it seems like we are going to be the "crazy neighbors" in the culdesac now.... All because they let a vicious dog out... I thought german shepherds were supposed to be good with kids......

Some people are just nuts.."

Now A year later I feel I can talk about this freely. The statute is gone and I just wanted to let some folks know that nothing legal has happened at all to me or my family (I love TX). We are friends with the members of the culdesac. The children are not scared of weapons (still love shooting their .22 rifles at the farm). Most importantly the neighbors with the ex-viscious dog moved out two months after the incident. Our children have no aversion to our new neighbors' very large & very friendly dog. All that being said; this was mentally a difficult incident for us to be involved in.
 
Good job. Period. Dog+baby=dead dog. Surprised the father of that kid didn't kill that dog...
What kind was it btw? I am curious. I know it is not the breed it is the owner. I have a half Rott half Shepherd, she is sweet as can be unless you are at my door :D
 
I remember the original post. I thought that was a pretty traumatic way to settle into a new home.

As you said, all's well...
 
It was a full bred german shepherd. Funny thing was at the time my old lady wanted a new dog for the children, everyone told her to "get a german shepherd, they are great with kids".... I guess it's all about raising them correctly,go figure...


On a side note, thanks to rainbowbob on his original reply last year, it made me feel much better.
 
yes, like kids, dogs require the correct up bringing. I am sure that dog was a reflection of his owner. Poor dog. It wasn't really his fault to be honest. Crappy owner=crappy dog.
 
guess ill be the first to say
great shooting to hit a charging german shepard
im certain you were in danger
terrifying thought of your child being hurt had to be in your head
the dog would have picked up on this emotion fueling its fury
 
Glad it all worked out well. I'm sorry it had to happen that way, but glad you were prepared and willing to take your family's safety into your own hands.

A few months ago I had my horse tied up short to a tree (live in the country). Neighbors two attack dogs (German Shepards) somehow got loose. They had very violent plans for the horse, he was tied short and these dogs were huge. I immediately began running toward the house for my shotgun (no CCW due to 20 years of age, besides, I wouldn't have faced these dogs without some real firepower), to shoot the dogs and then probably the horse after they had done their damage. Before I had a chance to do anything, he'd kicked the daylights out of them and they ran off, silent, fast.

He could take care of himself. An unarmed human is no match for a dog. That and a whole lot more are why we need to be permitted by law to carry.
 
im glad that all is well. I for one would do the same. If any concilation been ther got tshirts as far as shootin bad dogs.. I was raised on a farm stray dogs were delt with quik. Not nice seein livestock run through barbwire fences or cattle gard. or delin with sheep after dogs get to them. And with my kids no questions asked (dead dog).
 
Nice shooting. Small, fast-moving targets are hard to hit, especially with a handgun. How many bullets struck the dog and where?

This is the way bad-dog situations should turn out. Good job.
 
Good job and I'm glad it turned out well.

It's the owner. I have friends who show GSDs and Rottweilers - they use the dogs to babysit their toddlers.
 
Good job, and good shooting.

Owners of loose dogs let said dogs loose at peril to their own assets via civil liability, and do their dog a disservice -- as it very likely will be put down one way or another by a threatened individual (I've actually done this, though not with firearms as did the OP).

Despite my personal beliefs re: dogs, I've represented the owners of a loose dog, and went a little out of my way, albeit for pay, successfully to spare it, as (1) that particular dog is a magnificent and valuable specimen, and (2) one of the several guys he allegedly bit ... well, let's just say that if it had to happen at all, it couldn't have happened to a better guy. But I was very frank with the owners, and perhaps as a result that dog doesn't "roam free" on urban streets any more.

I would have done just as the OP did.
 
Great shooting. I'm sure that if any of us are ever in a similar situation we would hope to perform as well as you did. You stood between your kid and the dog, you acted decisively and your aim was good. Glad things worked out well for you.

My experience with German Sheppards is that they have the potential to be great dogs when properly raised and trained. But like a lot of the herding breeds, they can be a little obsessive/compulsive. That's not necessarily a bad thing if it’s managed properly. This dog was the result of a bad and negligent owner. He let his dog out and it charged and hurt a child. Even if the dog only bumped the kid and knocked him over, he should have done more after that to keep the dog under control. To let the dog out again without a leash constitutes gross negligence in my mind.

I too am curious about where you hit the dog as well as where you were aiming. I would also love to hear a few more details about your interaction with the police. Did they take your gun? Were you ever cuffed?
 
In this state, animals are a strict liability. There is never any excuse for anything they do. If a person breaks into your home, under circumstances where you would be allowed to shoot them, your dog is NOT allowed to bite them. All actions of animals are the liability of their owners. In this state, the defender virtually always gets the benefit of the doubt.

I think that the odds the odds that I will have to defend against an animal are much higher than the possibility I will have to defend against a human. I have seen dangerous breed dogs (oh yes I DID say it,) running free and been prepared for them to start chasing my kids, and warned owners that if their dogs are not under control, I will be preparing to stop them.
 
Good shooting...

Seriously, 33% (or higher) hit to miss ratio on a moving target when the blood was pumping!

Regarding the German Shepard, suppose for a minute that it is left outside all the time and rarely played or interacted with. It would be crazy, German Shepard's need stimulation and attention or they will go crazy. Most dogs do. It is sad to see what happens to dogs in the hands of lazy and disinterested people.
 
I feel for you. I love GSDs as I have one and she is as sweet as can be. She's actually a little scared of little kids (not in a backed in the corner way, but more in a "I really am afraid I could hurt you" way).

Now I don't mean to criticize, but your story leaves a little to question - aside from knocking the kid down and scratching its face had the dog shown any viciousness? Snarling, growling, back hair on end, etc? If so, I totally agree in shooting the dog as nothing good comes in that situation. Reading these behaviors can really clue one in to a dog's intentions and mindset at any given point in time?

All dogs have the potential to be vicious - they are animals after all. Being able to read their demeanor is a vital skill as they can't hide their intentions like humans.
 
I live in The San Antonio area, am a LEO with an area agency and a dog lover/owner. You did the right thing. Its too bad people choose to own such breeds without the commitment and respect to train them properly. Ive seen lots of stupid people who think its "no big deal" when their dogs go aggressive off-leash.

This guy was probably scared of his own dog...as evidenced by the fact that the dog was obviously running things in that household. You probably did him a big favor because chances are likely that somewhere down the line that dog would have seriously maimed/killed him or someone else. I own a Swiss Cattle Dog and a Doberman, and believe me when I say they HAVE to know who is in charge or problems will ensue.

On positive note, Im glad that your children are fine and that they were not traumatized by the event.
 
my brother wass attacked by a great dane when i was about 11. in a pulic parck outside lebanon oregon. he was the second person that dog attacked and due to both my parrents not really being ontop of things the dog had to attack one more person before being killed. i cant stand people who let this kind of stuff happen. i am just glad to see that there are people who are willing to take the necessary steps to end it when it needs to be ended. you did the right thing. good job and good shooting.
 
Obviously you had solid information about this dog's likely intentions toward your children, given what had just happened. You were clearly more than justified.

Out on the trail, I am constantly having tense encounters with dogs where there isn't as much information. Is this huge dog that's suddenly bounding at me on this narrow trail attacking or greeting?

In November I had a boxer who was coming at me, no apparent owner present, stop in the middle of the trail and growl at me. I put my bear spray in my right hand and walked toward him. He ran back fifty feet, then turned and growled. This dance went on for 2 miles, until I arrived at the trailhead. Eventually, it turned out his owners were an elderly couple I had passed in the opposite direction on the trail. Their dog was behind them at the time, and for some reason he didn't like the way I looked and refused to try to pass me.

More often, though, tense dog encounters are just a momentary terror where I decide to accept the perhaps 1% chance that a dog coming at me intends to bite me instead of the 99% chance that I'll spray or shoot an innocent dog.

I always feel like telling the owner, "Do you know that your irresponsible behavior forced me to consider killing your dog?" (But this is one of the nice Rottweilers. Well, sure, anyone can just tell that, can't they?)

I can't imagine what it's like when children are in that equation. They're more common targets for the most dangerous breeds, and obviously the chance of more than a bite to the forearm is greater.
 
i am a large dog guy my father is scared to death of dogs. that sensitized me to always figure other folks are like dad so mine stay under control. i don't wanna be the guy whose dog scares folks. in the op's situation this is a dog nut who woulda shot that dog same as he did.
 
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