Don't buy a Cooper

[3sixbits]

Any one that has ever spoken to Dan Cooper for more than just 30 seconds, knows Dan ain't the smartest cookie in the jar.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

He sure proved that with this dumb act. I mean, there was the carcass of Jim Zumbo lying right at his feet, and he didn't get the message.

 

[taliv]

well, zumbo's still up and walkin around thanks mostly to redemption by the likes of The Nuge.

still... you can't take money back from obama. i suppose he could recant and beg forgiveness, but i don't see it happening.

 

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

Nice rifles---too bad there's an idiot running the company.

 

[jbech123]

well, zumbo's still up and walkin around thanks mostly to redemption by the likes of The Nuge.

True, but making a mostly uninformed statement about AR's is a lot different than donating to and going out of your way to endorse obama.

 

[cat9x]

if you believe it was a bad move, then email Cooper and let them know your opinions. You are his customer base and he would probably like to know what his potential (or not potential after this) customers think.

 

[skinewmexico]

[You guys are so dramatic. As president the *only* thing that Obama could possibly do, or not do, is veto an AWB that congress passes. /QUOTE]

Yep. The next challenge to SCOTUS will be what are "reasonable restrictions" as mentioned in Heller. And when the Obamessiah appoints a few more justices along the Souter caliber, a reasonable restriction will be complete confiscation.

 

[goldie]

the owner of robinson armament supported mit romney,no the greatest pro gunner either.anyone in charge of any gun companies are better off staying quiet....

 

[Olympus]

Having a degree in political science myself I try not to get sucked into things like this. I don't buy the "hurry up and buy up all the ARs and AKs" nonsense either. I'm a die hard conservative through and through so don't think I'm an Obama supporter.

This fact, and it's a huge fact, is too often overlooked. A president, either Democrat or republican, can only suggest legislation. They are not the deciding factors on what happens or doesn't. Obama can propose a ban on assault weapons, high cap mags, etc, but he can't just simply put it into effect.

It is up to Congress on what becomes law. They can take a president's proposal and begin working on it as a bill or they can simply ignore it altogether. I understand that the nation elects a Democrat president to go along with the Democrat Congress we have currently, then they'll be more likely to go along with is proposals and since they have a majority then they'll likely succeed.

If you want to make your voices heard the loudest, stop spending so much time worrying about the president and spend more time looking at your senators and representatives' voting record. Get a petition going or write a letter of concern to your Congressmen and women. People today are forgetting how important it is to work with their congresspeople from their particular state.

Just become a congressperson is a Democrat doesn't mean they'll automatically vote in favor of everything a Democrat president proposes. In the end, the congressperson is accountable to his/her constituancy and if they know how voting in favor of a certain bill will make them unpopular then they'll think twice before voting...because after all, the people of the state give them their power and the people of the state can take that power and give it to someone else in the next election.

I'm as concerned for the nation as everyone else is. I'm frankly a little scared at the possibilities of electing Obama. But let's all use our heads here and think rationally. The sky isn't falling....yet!



As for Cooper, that's horrible to hear! I'm sure they will see an effect in their sales because of this. What they did was a VERY poor business decision. For businesses to make a good profit, they need to stay out of the political arena and keep their views to themselves for fear of alienating a portion of their customers. In this case, it was an absolutely STUPID decision for Cooper because they are a relatively small company where a loss in sales will have much greater effect and the portion of their customers that they chose to alienate was by far their largest group of customers. Their choice could not have been more blatantly DUMB. Whatever consequences come from their decision, they've done more than enough to earn them.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

This fact, and it's a huge fact, is too often overlooked. A president, either Democrat or republican, can only suggest legislation. They are not the deciding factors on what happens or doesn't.

Actually, it's judges who are the key. And who appoints judges?

The President! And if you have an anti-gun President with an anti-gun majority in congress, guess what sort of judges get appointed?

Read the dissent on the Heller decision, and see what kind of judges we can expect.

 

[rbernie]

Anyone who sells short the RKBA movement does not deserve to profit from it.

Cooper is allowed his politics. He should NOT expect that I will ignore his political statements while he tries to take cash from my wallet.

 

[Olympus]

Actually, it's judges who are the key.

You are correct. But the judges only come into play when a bill becomes a law and when the law is challenged. You take the judges out of the equation by never allowing such bills to become laws.

An ounce of prevention is worth of a pound of cure.

 

[Eightball]

Alrighty then. I used to want a cooper, but now I will never buy one, and I'll make damned sure every pro-gunner I know hears about this.

Maybe we should all write him and flood his business with mail detailing his "little" mistake to him, and how it instantly cost him our business?

 

[jmorganal]

Thanks for the heads up, duly noted.

PS: I just sent Cooper Arms an e-mail saying they should get in the automobile business.

 

[MikePGS]

I say we picket him at the next SHOT show.

And keep spreading the word -- don't buy Cooper.

Mr Humphrey, I like the way you think.

 

[Eyesac]

I say we picket him at the next SHOT show.

And keep spreading the word -- don't buy Cooper.

His rifles are a little too rich for my blood, so I wasn't really familiar w/ them, but I am now!

ps: I haven't forgotten about Ruger (and S&W), I will never forget.

 

[Olympus]

Maybe we should all write him and flood his business with mail detailing his "little" mistake to him, and how it instantly cost him our business?

I think this is a great idea. I didn't want to be the first to suggest it. But I've already taken the liberty personally. I think everyone should do the same as well. It only takes a couple mintues to shoot a quick email. We can only hope that they'll keep count of how many they get. I'll keep everyone informed if they send a reply to mine.

 

[Richard.Howe]

Wow, maybe Mr. Cooper got too busy and needed a way to slow down business.

 

[Richard.Howe]

Having a degree in political science myself I try not to get sucked into things like this. I don't buy the "hurry up and buy up all the ARs and AKs" nonsense either. I'm a die hard conservative through and through so don't think I'm an Obama supporter.

This fact, and it's a huge fact, is too often overlooked. A president, either Democrat or republican, can only suggest legislation. They are not the deciding factors on what happens or doesn't. Obama can propose a ban on assault weapons, high cap mags, etc, but he can't just simply put it into effect.

Having a degree in simple math, I observe that a radical Dem in the Executive, and heavily Dem majorities in the Senate and HoR, adds up to a significantly negative number.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

the judges only come into play when a bill becomes a law and when the law is challenged. You take the judges out of the equation by never allowing such bills to become laws.

You don't prevent such bills from becoming law by supporting gun-grabbing politicians.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Olympus, did you read my post on page 1? It already answered your line of reasoning thoroughly - here is the relevant part again:

We came within ONE vote, in a 5-4 decision, of not having ANY right to keep and bear arms, AT ALL, in US v. Heller. 4 SCOTUS justices, 3 of whom were Dem appointees (2 Clinton appointees) could not read the plain English text of the 2nd amendment. The next POTUS will likely appoint 1-2 justices if he's a one-termer, and 2-3 justices who are retiring if he's a two-termer, not to mention dozens of other federal judges who decide gun rights cases. We go from having a right (barely) to not having a right at all with Obama appointees - there is simply no question about that fact. This has ZERO to do with legislative and executive politics and 100% to do with SCOTUS and other judicial appointments.

Please note the bolded part. What you say is very true. EXCEPT THAT NONE OF THAT MATTERS!!!! AT ALL. What matters is judicial appointments. Legislation can be repealed or undone. A strong SCOTUS precedent, OTOH, is very hard if not impossible to overcome, no matter how incorrect. On a scale of 1 to 10, which president for the sake of legislation is a 1, which senator/congressperson is a 4, and which president for the sake of judicial appointments is a 10. You have to go with the least common denominator. The Prez matters 1 and 10. So that's a 10 in importance.

the judges only come into play when a bill becomes a law and when the law is challenged. You take the judges out of the equation by never allowing such bills to become laws.

Dude. Why fight the hard good fight over and over and over and over again, year after year after year with legislative races, which probably still won't prevent anti-gun legislation when the political climate is just right (just wrong), when you can simply get ONE good strong SCOTUS case (not a super weak one like Heller) which will shut these idgits down forever and for good? Heller has opened the pandora's box to exploration of the parameters of the right established. So the high court will be granting cert and fleshing out this right very soon (soon in judicial terms, the next 10-30 years). Since any Obama appts - even 1 - will reverse the 5-4 belief system, the court as a whole will find any and every way to undermine Heller in the coming years if Obama is elected. I don't think there's ever been a more important election, except for the 00 and 04 elections of George Bush, which replaced Rehnquist and O'Conner with Roberts and Alito. Hard to say for sure what Rehnquist and O'Conner would have done (i.e. hard to say for sure whether Bush II was dispositive as to the 5-4 outcome of Heller), but it's very easy to see that if Obama is elected and one of those 4 in the Heller minority retire as some probably will in the next 8 years, that our rights are GONE effectively if Obama is elected.

But our Senator elections are also very VERY important because the Senate ratifies the POTUS nominee for SCOTUS.

 

[jmorganal]

I hope Mr. Cooper can make a living off of the people supporting his view off of them, because he certainly will not see a penny of mine and anyone I know who is pro gun. So you guys, supporting him, need to buck up and help a brother out.

 

[Olympus]

it's very easy to see that if Obama is elected and one of those 4 in the Heller minority retire as some probably will in the next 8 years, that our rights are GONE effectively if Obama is elected.

Then let's only home he's elected for one term instead of two. Maybe they can hold out for at least 4 more years.

I understand what you're saying about the judges and it is very important. But I still think people need to be more active in writing their congresspeople. I think we're both saying the same thing, we're just go through different methods. For me, I hate to see gun control become law then have its constitutionality drug out in the legal system and hope that it makes its way to the Supreme Court and hope that they even decide to hear the case. That's years and years of having to abide by the law while it's debated and taken to higher and higher courts. I know how hard it is to overcome a precedent, but that doesn't mean that people won't still try, wasting tax dollars and time.

I think we both want the same outcome we just have different methods of getting their. And maybe I'm a little too naive, but I believe that if gun owners nationwide ban together and write our congresspeople enough times it will eventually get left alone. It may keep getting brought up and brought up but I think if enough of us make our voices heard loud enough and often enough, Washington will finally decide to leave us alone.

You don't prevent such bills from becoming law by supporting gun-grabbing politicians.

Don't think anyone is arguing with that.

Having a degree in simple math, I observe that a radical Dem in the Executive, and heavily Dem majorities in the Senate and HoR, adds up to a significantly negative number.

Don't think anyone is arguing that point either. That's why I made the point that not all Dems in Congress have to go along 100% with a Dem in the White House. If enough of their constituency opposes something, the Dem in Congress is wise to pay attention if he/she wants to get re-elected.

 

[hags]

What about Republicans such as Mark Kirk?
You don't need all Democrats to go along. They will likely have a filibuster proof democratic majority after the election anyway.

With the cult of personality and the media The One can introduce bill after bill through his party and make his agenda the country's agenda.
If anyone is buying or posting in preparation for a ban then each and everyone of them and you should vote. If there was more voting and less lip service there wouldn't be anything to worry about.

You know what a political science degree is good for?

You can get into law school with it.

I dont' know what any of this has to do with a firearms manufacturer supporting an anti gun candidate.

 

[Gottahaveone]

Heck Bill Ruger sold out gun owners to put money in HIS OWN POSKET and people still buy them..................Me? Never been real big on the 'Turn the other cheek' thing.

Bingo. Quit buying Rugers and I haven't bought a S&W from the date they signed their little agreement with clinton. I don't care if the ownership HAS changed. I hadn't planned on buying a cooper anyway and will be honest enough to mention that when I email to complain, but I'll also let them know that I'll be talking bad about them to everybody that will listen. Sure it's his company and his right to do as he wishes, but I feel no compunction to help someone who's actions are in direct conflict with my own self interest.