Don't say I didn't warn you all (Kennedy bill)

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A special thanks to everyone who called and wrote the Gov. of CA on SB 1471. although our efforts appear to be in vain You all deserve a special thanks for calling writing & e-mailing.

I WARNED EVERYONE that if it passes it would soon come to YOUR STATE. Here it is:

Similar federal legislation is being drafted by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat and a Schwarzenegger in-law.

NOW I HOPE everyone who didn't call write or e-mail will get up off your Duff and start NOW to address this issue with your local representatives.

Linking ammo, weapon it was fired from is goal
By James P. Sweeney and Michael Gardner
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE

October 14, 2007

SACRAMENTO – Delivering a top priority of the gun-control movement, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed legislation yesterday requiring that new models of semiautomatic handguns sold in California be able to stamp identifying serial numbers on shell casings.
In a surprise move, he also signed a bill banning lead ammunition in the sprawling range of the endangered California condor.

The handgun-ID law will enable police to link spent shells to the gun that fired them, and could make California a testing ground for the process known as “microstamping.”

No other state or nation uses the technology, which etches codes on internal gun components such as firing pins that stamp the numbers on shell casings when they are fired.

“While I appreciate and understand that this technology is not without limitations, I am signing this bill to provide law enforcement with an additional tool for solving crimes,” Schwarzenegger said in a statement. “I encourage all stakeholders to work on improving this technology.”

Sam Paredes of the Gun Owners of California said Schwarzenegger may have become “the most anti-gun governor in California history.”

Paredes noted that Schwarzenegger, a Republican, approved a ban on .50-caliber rifles three years ago.

Supporters of the legislation contend that with semiautomatic handguns the weapon of choice for most violent criminals, microstamping could help detectives crack hundreds of homicides that go unsolved every year.



AdvertisementHandguns are used in more than 60 percent of California's homicides, and about 70 percent of handguns sold in the state are semiautomatics, state records show.
Although proponents say the law could have a long-term impact on crime, it will have a delayed application. The legislation covers only those new or retooled semiautomatics approved for sale in the state after Jan. 1, 2010.

That excludes nearly 1,300 different semiautomatic handguns already approved for sale in California. Revolvers, which do not discharge spent casings, are not covered under the measure.

Assemblyman Mike Feuer, cq a Los Angeles Democrat cq who carried Assembly Bill 1471, said microstamping “has the potential to revolutionize the investigation of shooting incidents involving handguns.”

“This new law will put California at the forefront of forensic technology and could signal a catalytic change across the nation,” Feuer said.

Similar federal legislation is being drafted by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat and a Schwarzenegger in-law.

Feuer carried the bill for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a leading national gun-control group. The measure drew stiff opposition from the National Rifle Association and the firearms industry, which had warned that the technology was untested, unreliable and expensive.

Retooling the manufacturing process could add up to $200 to the price of each gun, warned Larry Keane of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association of the firearms industry. Supporters said the identifying parts could be added for as little as $1 to $2 per gun.

“Manufacturers are not going to comply with this no matter how much they improve the technology,” said Paredes of the Gun Owners of California. “They are simply going to stop selling any new semiautomatics in the state.”

More than 65 sheriffs and police chiefs, including San Diego Police Chief William Lansdowne, supported the bill. It drew opposition from a number of sheriffs from largely rural counties.

The condor legislation prohibits hunters from using lead bullets in broad swaths of the endangered bird's range, mostly along the coast from Santa Barbara to Big Sur. It takes effect July 1.

In addition to the gun lobby, leaders of the governor's appointed Fish and Game Commission urged Schwarzenegger to veto the bill.

“The governor listened to the science and stood on the side of preservation over politics,” said Assemblyman Pedro Nava, a Santa Barbara Democrat who carried Assembly Bill 821.

California becomes the first state in the nation to independently impose a ban on lead ammunition in hunting. There is a national prohibition on using lead shot to shoot waterfowl.

“No state anywhere in the country has taken a bold move like this,” said Adam Keats of the Center for Biological Diversity, an environmental group.

Schwarzenegger had not been expected to sign the ban, after he removed a Fish and Game commissioner who Republican lawmakers believed supported the condor legislation.

Aaron McLear, a spokesman for the governor, said the firing of R. Judd Hanna had nothing to do with the commissioner's views on the issue.

The governor signed the bill because “it is the right policy to support the condor population,” McLear said.

Assemblyman Nava, who had pushed the issue for the past three years, said Schwarzenegger stared down the National Rifle Association – “one of the most powerful special interests in the state.”

Environmentalists and biologists warned that condors can be poisoned by scavenging on lead-laced remains of animals killed by hunters. At least 12 of the rare birds have died in the past decade from lead poisoning, researchers said.

The bill “is an important first step in getting lead out of the food chain,” Keats said.

Hunters had argued that studies are inconclusive, that replacement ammunition is expensive and hard to find, and that voluntary programs to bury or remove carcasses should be given time to work.

The legislation does provide an exemption for some weapons where there is no readily available alternative ammunition.

The Fish and Game Commission, which has been wrestling with the lead bullet issue for some time, is expected to adopt final regulations for the ban by the end of the year.

The decisions on the two firearms-related bills give Schwarzenegger a strong record on high-profile gun-control measures that have reached his desk since he was elected in 2003. But he has vetoed measures to restrict Internet sales of ammunition and impose fines for failing to report lost or stolen handguns.
 
Ted Kennedy is drafting a federal version of "microstamping"

This is just great. It's no surprise that he's all in the family with the California governor.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20071014-9999-1n14bills.html

This new law will put California at the forefront of forensic technology and could signal a catalytic change across the nation,” Feuer said.

Similar federal legislation is being drafted by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat and a Schwarzenegger in-law.
 
“This new law will put California at the forefront of forensic technology and could signal a catalytic change across the nation,” Feuer said.

Anti-Second Amendment bigotry is an infectious disease.

Will the gun companies stop sales to LE in California because of this?

Not while there's still a dollar to be made. It takes a Barrett to stand up and take a moral position.
 
The problem with Microstamping is that to the uninformed non gunowner it doesn't seem sinister at all. But it is just another step to take away freedom.
 
"Supporters of the legislation contend that with semiautomatic handguns the weapon of choice for most violent criminals, microstamping could help detectives crack hundreds of homicides that go unsolved every year. "

This part fills me with a firey "WHAT THE @$#&?!" Like "Criminals" fill out all the Cali paper work to legally own and purchase their semi-automatic guns! Like the guns will be in their own names! Doesn't Cali already DO a background check? If they really try to push this, I forsee criminals toting .44 Magnums around...it'll be a maelstrom! Dogs and cats living together, etc.
 
California Criminals: smart enough to file off serial numbers off of firearms so they cannot be tracked, but too inept to file the firing pin for the same reason.

This ****ing sucks.
 
This makes no sense any idiot using something simple like a glock has to just file the serial number down. Its just part of many steps to reduce freedom and turn us all into little serfs. Next revolvers will be banned and then black powder will be all thats left and even then the laws to defend yourself wont be in place.

Needless to say gangs will only grow stronger with thier continous supply of illegal aliens and eventaully we will lose CA to the rest of the nation. The further crime rise because of these backward policies will just give them more excuses to curtail liberties.
 
Does anyone think that these laws might create a black market in spent cartridge cases?

Law enforcement officers might have a problem if cases serialized to their guns turned up at crime scenes. If they don't mind I suppose no one else should mind either.

A criminal who had the forethought to deposit a few spent cases from other guns of the same caliber might confuse the issue of which gun committed the crime.

Maryland's ballistic fingerprinting ... it didn't help solve one crime, as I recall.

Revolvers are another matter. If a victim was murdered with a revolver I think that the murderer would be honor bound to deposit a spent case at the scene.

One thing that these bills do demonstrate, however, is that gun owners who attack the NRA seem to be having an effect. Let's hear some applause for those gun owners! Perhaps Governor Schwarzenegger should give Gun Owners of America one of the pens he used to sign that bill into law, and maybe Sen. Kennedy will do the same.
 
Just my take, but...
They know it doesn't work. Currently, It's unreliable at best. File, grind, replace, allow a bit of crud to build up in the firearm, etc. Too many ways around it. Just my opinion, but I don't think they care if it works or not, it's just a tool to use to ban. Simple scheme. Require reliability in the technology they know can't be reliable and bingo. Grounds for ban.
Of course, this is all my opinion.
 
Owens has it right:

They know it doesn't work.

In their eyes, it is either that one more tiny step to making (some) firearms more trouble to own than they are worth--at least for the lawful buyer.

It will raise the price; it increases the hassle factor, and it increases the liklihood of a massive bureaucratic set of regulations for gunsmiths. There'll be less gunsmiths when people find they spend as much time on paperwork as they do on their gunsmithing.

Even in CA, they know an outright ban won't fly--just as SCUBA Ted knows it won't fly on a national level. But it plays to the gun-hater's base of the Democrat Party, so it helps rally the faithful with the coming elections.

The question is, what's the quid pro quo? What did Ahhnold get from the Democrats, or will get, in exchange for this signature?

Jim H.
 
hey, relax...it's only one small very tiny step.
This kinda attitude why gun control is working using one small step at a time, look what has happened since 1968. Those "one small steps" have become giant strides.
 
The question is will this get by congress? Most didn't think it would pass muster in California. Apparently lawmakers love Todd Lizzote's presentation skills. It's too bad they have no sense.
 
Teddy Boy is getting up there in years and having some health issues......maybe with a little luck the man upstairs will soon decide that its time for him to take a "Dirt Nap".....

Or MAYBE he'll go on a binge with Feinstein, Schumer and Mikulski and take them for a Bridge Tour in DC.....
 
he'll go on a binge with Feinstein, Schumer and Mikulski and take them for a Bridge Tour in DC.....
can I get that in a bumper sticker?
 
Does it surprise you that the same states follow each other down the same path everytime there is a fork in the road?
 
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