Dooms Day shotgun

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Well if we are talking about shotguns:
AA-12
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Saiga SBS "Accelerator"
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Remington 870. Its never had a problem in the 4 years I've owned it. I'd take it to the end of the world.
 
I'd not choose a Saiga. I've handled one and don't like the following things about them:

They're finicky about ammo, and the gas system only has two settings. You have to know what you're running, and if it'll be to heavy for the setting you're on. In mixed ammo situations you could &!$@ yourself in a hurry.

The box mags also don't handle 2 3/4 gracefully.

Sight radius is too short. Needs an AK style front sight, not that gasblock thing.

The buttstock is hollow and noisy. Bump it and the zombies will hear you from a hundred yards away.

However it's really reliable with uniform loads. it is a frickin' AK.
 
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Mossberg 590. Raw pump reliability with a factory bayonet lug. A perfect win win.
 
I prefer the Saiga 12 personally. With a few upgrades (adjustable gas valve, better gas piston), it becomes able to digest different ammo types better. The biggest benefit, though, is that it's able to be fully disassembled for cleaning. Most shotguns are designed in such a way that they cannot be fully disassembled by the end user, at least not without specialty tools. The Saiga can be easily taken down for maintenance and cleaning with no or only basic tools. In terms of longevity, it's going to win.
 
I think the best thing that could happen for the Saiga would be a regulator like they sell for the Garand. Add wood furniture or spray the buttstock full of expanding foam and FFS install a front sight and the Saiga would be a front runner, minus the mags not liking the small stuff... and being kind of in the way.
 
I've handled one and don't like the following
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Granted my experience is not having handled one once, rather I've owned half a dozen of them, and shot thousands of rounds through them, but I see your complaints as none issues.

They're finicky about ammo, and the gas system only has two settings. You have to know what you're running, and if it'll be to heavy for the setting you're on. In mixed ammo situations you could &!$@ yourself in a hurry.
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First I would disagree that they are finicky with ammo. They as a general rule don't like Winchester Bulk ammo that one finds at WM but I've seen lots of guns fail to eject that crap including 870s. Every other ammo (I don't ever buy the winchester anyhow for any of my shotguns because the Federal is better quality and the same price) I've run through mine has functioned just fine.

Second the gas system is not an issue. You aren't (at least I hope not for your sake) going to use bird shot period in a defensive situation or keep a defense gun stocked with birdshot. There is even less reason to be switching between light bird shot target loads and buck/slugs. I'd be more worried about the bird shot in a defensive situation than the gas system. Even if it somehow became an issue I would not spend any time worrying about having just &!$@ myself. I would simply reach under the gun and quickly work the charging handle until I was in a position (i.e. behind cover) to flip the setting. Yes it is slower than the gun running right and a bit slower than a pump but it is not that slow. I actually saw someone run a three gun course that way and they beat a number of the pump gun times (based on reloading speed mostly).

The box mags also don't handle 2 3/4 gracefully.
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Honestly I'm not sure what that is supposed to even mean. Furthermore, there are a number of different makes of saiga box mags are you referring to a specific mag or all of them. I only own 20+ mags (a mix of AGPS, AGPs modified for a magwell, factory mags, and a MD drum), I have never had an issue with 2 3/4 shells. I've shot thousands of them, bird shot, buckshot, and slugs. In fact they are what I shoot 99% (or more) of the time. Gracefully is a vague adjective but I serious don't know what issues you could be eluding to.

Sight radius is too short. Needs an AK style front sight, not that gasblock thing.
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Assuming that one really needs to change it this is a rather cheap and easy thing to change. e.g.:

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If one is not up to adding a front sight then the S12 is probably not the gun for them.

The buttstock is hollow and noisy
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People leave those one the gun???? Most owners scrap the stock but it is for a myriad of reasons more important than the fact that it is hollow. Some people that inexplicable keep the factory stock fill it with foam, which is pretty dang cheap and easy.

The S12 has it warts and there are some pretty legit critiques IMO that need addressing and or make it a gun some people would want to pass on but none of them are the things you listed. Of course it probably takes more than "handling" (what ever that actually entailed) one to know what they are.
 
Mossberg 500, 835, Remington 870, Winchester 1300 speed pump are all excellent pump guns; even the Browning BPS, and the Bennelli Nova. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.
 
I can't believe no one has done it yet. Alright here you go:

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The twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. With a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger.

Chainsaw sold seperately.
 
Since I already have a Mossberg 500 and a Remington 1100 then it would have to be one of those.

The only thing I'd change is to add the X-Rail by RCI. 23 rounds of 12G without having to reload!

http://www.xrailbyrci.com/.
 

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None. A shotgun isn't the mythical finger of death that some seem to think it is.
 
A shotgun isn't the mythical finger of death that some seem to think it is.
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Among other things, that perception is certainly a useful one if your target happens to be a human being. And then there are a multitude of other uses.

Personally though, any shotgun would be GEFGW.
 
I wish I could be more specific, but....

Given a fictional "doomsday" type scenario, if it must be a shotgun, I would take any pump and/or semi-automatic shotgun that works!

My only true concern, at this point, would be how much ammo I have available. ;)



Not to be a jerk or anything, but the whole "doomsday+870 and/or Benelli SBE ll" inquiry is somewhat narrow in scope. What I mean is, the 870 comes in many forms, hence more specificity is needed here. The Benelli SBE ll...well, I tend to think of this a mainly a hunting shotgun.

Regardless, given the whole "doomsday" scenario you purport, I would say that either shotgun would serve the purpose.

Either way, as "off topic" as this statement may be, a shotgun would not necessarily be my ideal weapon of choice (regardless of type), given such a situation.

Too bad I do not own a combat rifle. This, IMHO, would be the best "doomsday" long gun.
 
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Too bad I do not own a combat rifle. This, IMHO, would be the best "doomsday" long gun.
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Not necessarily. The longer the shot you take, the higher chance you have of a miss. With a miss comes both wasted ammo, and a target that knows you're out there. If your hunting, chances are the game is gone. If you're trying to take a mans supplies (not going to argue the ethics of such a situation), you've alerted him. If you're trying to AVOID a gunfight, you've just announced yourself to your foe.

Now, that isn't to say you cannot miss with a shotgun. You certainly can. And a close range miss can be much more dangerous.

This is why I believe in a group, rather than the LAMO concept, for survival.
 
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