"Doomsday Prepper" participant loses his gun rights

[.45Guy]

We are leaving something out here. Merely being suicidal does not a prohibited person make. He had to be adjudicated "mentally defective," which I would hope would require some evidence.

 

[leadcounsel]

Ironic that he focused so much on a SHTF scenario and this has happened.

I didn't watch the video, but thought that the state had to have him committed or something along those lines to remove his guns.

 

[newbuckeye]

All it took was a DR recomendation to a judge and my x wife was held on an emergency hold. The hard part was getting the Doc to AGREE something was wrong. I don't think the decision was made hastily or without knowing exactly what was at stake (not the 2a implications, but the entire process). When I was still married to her, I tried for years to get someone to evaluate my x but without someone besides the spouse (they figured I had other motives) to get anyone to listen. It took her parents to say something was wrong for any kind of evaluation to occur. That's why I say, the decision was not made hastily.

 

[Ignition Override]

That doctor's income is about to take a hit when his name leaks out-and it will, whether he is the only cardiologist (maybe GP) in that area or not.

The two FAA 'Arschlocher' who randomly grounded the truly superb airshow performer Bob Hoover needed a high-profile victim to justify the FAA's ability to ground somebody for totally arbitrary reasons.

Their names also leaked out, in a very big way (leaked to the EAA's huge membership), and they probably hid 'underground' for a while.

 

[.45Guy]

Yep Buckeye, you are spot on. I know for certain of an individual who has been in the 'ol lockup and is still being treated for schizophrenia. No NICS flags, and nobody really seems to care. There is undoubtedly more to the story than an off the cuff remark to his cardiologist.

 

[Stophel]

The man is being punished for a crime he did not commit, and that does not even exist, and was convicted without a trial (and no telling how many more times this happens that we don't hear about). How could this possibly be a good thing????

 

[mortablunt]

What an idiot! Doctors are one of those professionals who are obligated go to the police if they believe that you are a threat to yourself or others. HIPA and confidentiality do not cover psychiatric or criminal episodes.

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[Novisvierling]

Poor dude

I do believe that there are many many others way worse off than this poor guy. I know myself this is a tragedy and a doctor without a sense of humor is a dr without compassion. In my state there are laws in place now that if you are knowingly experiencing or confronted with a situation that someone tells you or suggests suicide intent you are legally obligated to report it and if found you did not after something happening to this individual you can spend time behind bars.

That being said this country is truly not headed in the same direction I anticipated. I do not place blaim nore anger towards those that do decide my fait. Just ask for compassion...

 

[ObsidianOne]

He didn't seem unstable to me. No more than anyone else anyway.

Petition signed. Hopefully he gets his guns back. That SA M1A was nice!

 

[JohnBT]

"Dr.s are now a government controlled entity because of Obamacare"

Pure nonsense.

 

[Mike1234567]

As others have stated... be careful what you say to your doctor even in jest. He is obligated by law to report anything he even remotely suspects is suicidal tendency. If he doesn't and if anyone finds out he could lose his medical license.

 

[newbuckeye]

As others have stated... be careful what you say to your doctor even in jest.

A while back my step son told his teacher that his mother regularly beats him. Don't think that didn't turn into a 2 hour yuck yuck with the school admin and nurse....has WAS kidding!

 

[Hypnogator]

Its wrong a doctor , judge ,lawyer, preacher, or politicain should not be able to take your second ammenment rights. God given rights.

So, you would be in favor of allowing convicted murderers to have firearms while serving their sentences? I doubt you'll find much agreement with that notion.

The man is being punished for a crime he did not commit, and that does not even exist, and was convicted without a trial (and no telling how many more times this happens that we don't hear about). How could this possibly be a good thing????

Not at all. He was, in the doctor's opinion, mentally defective and a danger to himself. Presumably he was adjudicated mentally defective, although that is unclear from the information provided. Do you think that a schizophrenic who loses touch with reality and thinks that all brown-haired men are Adolph Hitler should be allowed to possess a firearm and repeatedly "save the world" by shooting them?

As has been pointed out, we're hearing one side of the story, and most are having knee-jerk reactions to someone losing his RTKBA. If the individual in question petitions to be re-evaluated, perhaps he can get the restriction lifted. Meanwhile, let's look at the other side of the picture -- where the Virginia Tech and Gabby Giffords shootings were committed by mentally defective persons who slipped through the system.

 

[Flopsweat]

Ironic that he focused so much on a SHTF scenario and this has happened.

I didn't watch the video, but thought that the state had to have him committed or something along those lines to remove his guns.

Spot on. Seems like his preoccupation on an unlikely event blinded him to a more common and easily avoided one. I have food, water, firewood etc. enough for two weeks. I do not have a bunker. I have diversified investments. I do not have gold buried in the hills. I am prepared to defend myself against a mugger. I have no idea how to defend my home against a mob of zombies, and am not discommoded over this fact.

 

[billdeserthills]

I'm not a Dr, but I do work in the medical field.

Doctors have to cover their rears.

Imagine that some yayhoo makes a silly comment about possibly wanting to end their own life.. and Doc blows it off.

The patient then goes home and commits suicide.

The Doc will have every swinging banana in the congo out to sue them for letting that patient go.

This country is sue-happy, so unfortunately, that's how it goes.

I'll ask again because I still want to know, Since Dr / patient speech is private, tell me again who would have been able to sue this Dr if his patient had gone home & committed suicide?

 

[Mike1234567]

^^^ MY GUESS IS... If the patient mentioned to anyone that he said something to his doctor (before the act, of course) then the patient's records can be subpeonaed and if the doctor made any hints in his notes then he could be in some deep poo-poo. Otherwise, the Doc would have to be foolish enough to openly admit to hearing something and blowing it off. If nothing is in his notes, no one heard the conversation, and he doesn't admit to hearing anything then it's just hearsay. Again... JUST MY GUESS.

 

[Stophel]

I suspect he was simply deemed to be an enemy of the state, and was considered a likely candidate for making an example...

 

[lloveless]

Stophel said: "I suspect he was simply deemed to be an enemy of the state, and was considered a likely candidate for making an example... " Is so off base. Doctors have no contact with the state regarding who has what political affiliation etc. Mr Sarti made a believer out of the cardiologist, who had him picked up and evaluated at the local ER(where he became non-cooperative according to the video), and then was placed in a psych facility for 3 days according to the video. We have no idea what really happened there. If you watch the video he states he has "no reason to live". Mr Sarti is his own worst enemy.
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[jcwit]

Wonder what the reaction of most of us here would be if we were picked up and taken to the ER for evaluation? How many of our members would be cooperative and how many would be non-cooperative?

 

[Stophel]

I'd have been extremely uncooperative myself...

Poor guy is being abused by the state flexing its muscles... how dare anyone defy orders of "medical treatment"!!! You are the property of the state!

 

[Bovice]

I consider talking to the doctor like talking to the police.

Carefully decide exactly what to say, and say nothing more. I make it a rule not to mention guns to them.

"Guns? What guns? I'm just here to have my lead levels checked."

 

[lloveless]

Stophel wrote: "I'd have been extremely uncooperative myself..." And you sir would be in the same situation Mr Sarti is in. When you go for an evaluation you need to be cooperative, reasonable, and believable. In Tn a Physician is obligated to report possible suicidal behaviors. The part of Tn Mr Sarti is in has the 5th highest suicide rate per capita in the USA. To get to the psych facility he was evaluated by two doctors and a Crisis Center screener. He convinced all three of them of his suicidal thoughts. Thus his trip to a psych facility.
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[Novisvierling]

Just don't go to the drs unless you can't survive without modern meds.

We being responsible gun owners are much like responsible truck drivers. Always under suspicion until proven otherwise. When a commercial driver pulls over to help other motorists who have been in some sort of accident that this said driver just came upon when the police arrive they automatically assume its the commercial drivers fault no matter what the others tell the police he is stuck there till its all clears up.... Yes I no longer stop to help lke this guy should have not trusted the dr to have any humor....

 

[buck460XVR]

If you watch the video he states he has "no reason to live". Mr Sarti is his own worst enemy.
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If you watch the video without being blinded with the fear that Obama and the AMA is in cahoots to take all guns from all Americans, you will see lloveless is correct. Mr Sarti claims he does not want to take his own life, but then claims no one wants to take their own life, but are only driven by chronic pain to end their suffering. This is right after he tells us the reason he went to the doctor in the first place was chronic pain. As I said in my first post he then makes statements claiming he has nothing to live for and had no protection any more from those evil "trolls" that are trying to kill him. This is what he says to try and convince us he is normal and that he is not a threat to himself. It would be interesting to know what else he said to the cardiologist, the police officers, the ER doctors and the psychiatrists. Even with all the incriminating statements he makes while trying to redeem himself, I still don't have enough information to make a informed decision on whether or not his 2nd amendment rights have been violated without probable cause. Without jumping to conclusions or using a tin foil hat conspiracy theory, I don't think anyone else here does either, unless they are privy to info the rest of us aren't.

 

[Stophel]

I never cease to be amazed by sheeple.