"Doomsday Prepper" participant loses his gun rights

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He did not end the statement with I have no reason to live, he finished with the response to the drs directive of tubes in his airway as a possible resolve for his gasping for air and tight chest was "I have no reason to live with tubes sticking out of my body" that's not a statement of suicide not in my oppinion and of coarse this is all hearsay (we were not there)
 
Stophel said:
I never cease to be amazed by sheeple.
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Always amazed me when folks can no longer carry on an intelligent debate, they feel the need to resort to calling other folks names. Not mature, not High Road. More like third grade.
 
I do agree some never mature. I myself am not perfect from flaw. However if context is considered to be understood by all in just a few words, then laymen wouldn't be in the dictionary.
 
Terribly sorry. I shall refrain from posting comments on such frustrating subjects.
 
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Most likely what happened was they were looking for anything they could use against him, looked into his medical records, and then summarily moved to strip his rights. Corrupt politics, but it happens.
 
WardenWolf where do you get this drivel? Did you not watch the video? Obviously you have no idea of what happens when you make suicidal comments to a healthcare worker even sarcastically, when you are in an area with high suicide rates. POLITICS DON'T EVEN ENTER INTO THE EQUATION!!!!
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billdeserthills said:
How would anyone but the Dr. & the patient know that the Dr did not do his job in reporting this evil patient, if the Dr had not reported him?
For that matter why did my Dr feel the need to report the dogbite I had received from my dog that made the animal control folks try to take my doggy away? BTW you can keep all the Dr's that might report any American for anything but attempted homicide as far as I am concerned
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This happened to be a case I was involved in. I have been an ER nurse for 14 years.

Patient came to ER with chronic pain requesting tons of narcotics.

The Dr said "No".

Patient made a silly remark about wanting to die if he didn't get his narc fix (which he had done so many times in the past).

Patient goes to a bar, gets drunk and rattles on about how the ER refused to give him tons of pain meds, then goes home.

Patient writes a long, drawn-out suicide note and kills himself.

Patient's family gets a hold of the letter and blames the ER for not helping the guy.

Patient's family calls Dewey, Cheatam and Howe to sue the awful ER Dr.

The Dr is a great guy, and also happens to be a Christian, Conservative, Pro 2 Gun guy (not that this really matters). Now has years of litigation and stress over the whole incident.

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If some knuckle-head wants to squawk to a Dr about suicide, the Doc can ignore it and probably get sued, or report the person and not get sued.

Which would you do?

Ever been sued?

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Re: Your "doggy".

I don't know the circumstances, but it sounds like you were bitten by your dog.

You sought treatment and the incident was report to animal control.

The majority of the cases go nowhere... unless Animal Control has a reason to want to "take someone's doggy away".

I don't even care to know why they wanted to do such a thing.

Not sure how this is even related to the 2nd Amendment.

Robert
 
Way you make it sound the Dr should just start recording the whole visit, just like my security cameras & mikes work. Later the tape can be erased if there was no incriminating evidence. Oh, but I forgot, nowadays your Dr don't really hafta care about their patient, as long as the patient should be addicted to opiates or some such reason right? So sorry to offend your delicate sensabilities, I was more concerned about a person's freedom.
 
billdeserthills said:
delicate sensabilities
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Well, thank you for the compliment :D

Next time my wife hollers at me for buying another gun, I'll tell her I have delicate sensabilities.. and to please refrain from disrupting them.

For the record, I'm here to read and talk about my love of guns and the 2nd amendment.

I didn't come looking for a scrap, just wanted to offer insight from a medical worker's perspective.

I think we'd be better off fighting the anti-gun liberals than each other.

Have a nice day, Robert
 
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Stophel wrote: "I'd have been extremely uncooperative myself..." And you sir would be in the same situation Mr Sarti is in. When you go for an evaluation you need to be cooperative, reasonable, and believable. ll
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WHY ? Where in the Constitution does it state that you have to co-operate with those trying to commit you?
 
Since what a patient says to his doctor is confidential unless the doc violate patient/doctor confidentiality how is anyone supposed to know what the patient said in the office unless the doc shoots his big mouth off? In that case the patient should sue the crap out of him/her.
 
Well I for one hope that he gets his rights restored. I would also like to add that it's sad that we are to this point that one person can have so much power over one of our god given rights. Think about how easy it is to have something you say taken out of context.
 
7.62 being cooperative goes to state of mind. Being uncooperative, belligerent, and lying will get you in a heap of trouble especially with people who have the power to incarcerate/commit you. But be my guest and act however you wish if your time ever comes. Good luck with that.
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Its a tough spot for the Dr, what if the guys says that before he kills himself he's going to off his ex-wife and her lawyer?

The Virginia Tech shooter SHOULD have been in the system and he was not because the system failed, this guy probably should not be in the system but is for the same reason. Its actually a pretty big PIA for a Dr to have somebody adjudicated as a mental case - so I'm wondering if there is not a lot more to this story.
 
Its actually a pretty big PIA for a Dr to have somebody adjudicated as a mental case - so I'm wondering if there is not a lot more to this story.
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--that's certainly been the case in my experience. I hope the gentleman gets the help he needs--either way.
 
Sounds a lot like the former USSR. Just a word and they come and take you away. For using his first amendment rights, he has lost his second :scrutiny:
 
There was no 1st A issue.
That only relates to political speech and not irresponsible talk of self harm or suicide.
 
The freedom to speak does not carry with it immunity from the natural results of your words.

Just like the freedom to bear arms does not carry with it immunity from the results of how you use them.

Shoot someone unlawfully and you will go to jail.

Tell a doctor you think you might kill yourself, and expect to be treated as a potential suicide case.
 
"Ironic that he focused so much on a SHTF scenario and this has happened."

Not really, many folks with paranoia issues attract the attention of the legal, medical and mental health communities.

We still don't know what he told the doctor or the team that evaluated him. We only know what he claims he said. And what he claims may only be what he remembers of the conversation. He's probably a real nice fella, but what is known is only his side of it.


"Just a word and they come and take you away. For using his first amendment rights, he has lost his second "

A word? That's not accurate. And the first admendment does not say that a person can anything at all without fear of consequences. I'd link to it for you, but you can look it up yourself.

John
 
"He states he has no reason to live anymore and since he has no way to protect himself from the "trolls" that want to kill him"

Did he really say "trolls" wanted to kill him?

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Is he certain it isn't the gnomes that are after him?

I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't make fun of the self-promoting oddball types, but I can't help myself.

John
 
I suspect this is likely more to the story. His video certainly didn't help his case at all. If it was a snafu then I certainly hope it gets worked for him...but as someone else mentioned, I hope he gets the help he needs either way. I certainly don't think this indicates some some deliberate attempt to remove all our 2A rights. This appears to be an isolated incident in which we have FAR less than the full story so I'm not planning to jump to any conclusions. Best of luck to him.
 
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