Double action revolvers and exposed trigger guards.

[mcb]

I train for hip shots at close range with my 1911. I can draw and put two shots in the 0 down in right at 1.25 seconds.

And other than a very close range situation where retention is an issue what is the advantage to the hip shooting? That is about the same time as I can manage when bring the revolver to eye level. I can do a ~1 second draw to a down zero and my splits with my revolver are usually .20-.25. I can get a little faster with the single action trigger on my Limited gun, more like .16- .21 if the targets are close.

 

[jmorris]

And other than a very close range situation where retention is an issue what is the advantage to the hip shooting? That is about the same time as I can manage when bring the revolver to eye level.

Would this be more or less impressive, if he were using the sights?

 

[mcb]

Would this be more or less impressive, if he were using the sights?

Taran Butler, I am not, that is for sure. Not Robert Vogel either.



Notice Vogel beats Butler on the plate rack bring the gun all the way up to eye level were butler hips shoots it. Butlers draw is faster by ~.14 but Vogel's splits are much faster.

I am happy with my 1-second to an alpha/down-0. I am not currently shooting enough to likely improve on that for a bit.

Although I did get to RO Travis Tomasie and Todd Jarrett at the AREA 8 one year working as an RO. Tomasie is probably one of the nicest of the pro I have ever met, Jarrett was not.

And to come back on subject, none of those pro's need a trigger guard cut away on their holster to put up those very impressive numbers.

 

[earplug]

years ago I had a job as a armed rent a cop. Only firearm I had was a S&W model 27. I had a Hunter holster with a strap that covered the trigger area. The exposed hammer was prone to getting cocked during the work day.

 

[jmorris]

Taran Butler, I am not, that is for sure. Not Robert Vogel either.

Yeah, I understand. I beat Jerry Miculek in 3 stages at Nationals in ‘09, to bad there were 18 of them...

The measures people use for qualitative words are all over the place for sure but I do agree an exposed trigger isn’t going to help much.

I guess Bob Munden had some and had speed like very few others.



Pretty easy to see at 0:15 in, he has his finger on the trigger too soon for anything but a single action revolver. With his draw and holster position he was probably safe In any case.

I wish, while he was alive, someone with a good high speed camera had captured his technique in detail. Even with that video of a video, it’s “interesting”.

 

[mcb]

Yeah, I understand. I beat Jerry Miculek in 3 stages at Nationals in ‘09, to bad there were 18 of them...

The measures people use for qualitative words are all over the place for sure but I do agree an exposed trigger isn’t going to help much.

I guess Bob Munden had some and had speed like very few others.



Pretty easy to see at 0:15 in, he has his finger on the trigger too soon for anything but a single action revolver.

I missed Jerry, I shot the Revolver Nationals the first year he didn't, 2014.

 

[CraigC]

Bringing the gun up to eye level to use the sights requires time and space. Sometimes you lack one or the other or both. The alley shooting scene in the movie Collateral is a very good example of this. It's also a good example of how to do it right. I've always considered point shooting to be a valuable skill and have put tens of thousands of rounds downrange in building it.

 

[ECVMatt]

I have used the Threeperson's for years. I never thought of it as a fashion statement. It is very comfortable to carry all day both on foot and on horseback. Even riding through the thickest north Texas brush, I have never had an issue with the gun being pulled from the holster or having branches or vines enter the trigger area. It is one of my favorite holsters for big sixguns like my Bisley's, Redhawk's, and N-frames. To each his own, but I will continue to use these without hesitation.

 

[salvo]

Well said ECVMatt! I will add they are minimalist holsters, a brilliant design, they ride close and fairly high on the hip, cross draw or strong side. Wonderful for small revolvers also. Just finished this one today for my old model Bearcat, my new fishing rig/kit gun.