Downsides to a CCW license?

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I was recently talking to my uncle, who is preparing for a hunting trip in Australia.

Apparently a goodly part of Australia's violent crime problems are caused by what would have to be described as financially comfortable older Americans on expensive hunting trips in remote areas. This has resulted in a the entirely understandable requirement that said hunters provide reams of paperwork to the Australian government in order to be allowed to bring a couple of bolt action sporting rifles and a few boxes of ammo.:rolleyes:

One of the documents required is basically a certificate from the local law enforcement agency. A CCW works fine, and my uncle was happy to provide a certified copy of his.

However, his friend who is going on this hunt does not have a CCW license, and does not want one. Said friend is an over the road trucker. In his opinion, once outside one's own state a CCW just invites a lengthy search of the vehicle from any LEO who has occasion to do a traffic stop. Apparently obtaining one was his only solution to the Australia paperwork conundrum, but he isn't happy about it, and plans to ditch it asap.
 
The only downside I've found is the constant internal struggle over which holster to buy, which ammo to carry and what to wear to cover it up. That said, I am not a trucker so I am not in that type of situation.
 
Apparently a goodly part of Australia's violent crime problems are caused by what would have to be described as financially comfortable older Americans on expensive hunting trips in remote areas.
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Can you explain this, with links if possible, please?
Also, AFAIK, your friend's trucker friend isn't required to show his CCW to an out of state LEO, and I don't believe that there is a national data base on CCW holders.
 
is there any aprt of this that isn't a joke??

heheh.

i could imagine maybe anyone ever gotten extra scrutunized by police after the found you had a ccw?

seems backwards enough to happen
 
There's no practical downside to a carry permit that I can tell, and the fear that it invites trouble is an old wive's tale sadly rendered somewhat credible by the occassional bad LEO/citizen interaction.

The valid objections that I've encountered tend to be either issues of abstract philosophy (ie: "permission to excercise a right converts it to a privilege") or hypothetical to the point of loading out for zombies. (ie: "you're on a list, so "they" know who to go to first!", to which I remind people that "molone labe!" means "I volunteer to be a mine canary")
 
If you are a truck driver and had a ccp in the proper states, and had permision from your company or your self if privatly owned.
Would DOT have a problem with that?
 
I've always found that my CCW identifies me as a good guy, at worst it's never hurt me and at best it's engendered an entirely different attitude (in a good way) towards me whenever I have had occasion to interact with the police. A CCW does not make you a non-threat but what it does make you is a non-felon, non-wife beater, who cared enough about the law to get a license and training for not a small amount of cash and time. It also allows you to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in most of the states I give a rats &^% about.

Sounds like your friend wants an excuse to be a victim, more power to him.
 
However, his friend who is going on this hunt does not have a CCW license, and does not want one. Said friend is an over the road trucker. In his opinion, once outside one's own state a CCW just invites a lengthy search of the vehicle from any LEO who has occasion to do a traffic stop.
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That "logic" seems kind of farfetched to me. A case of ineligibility, you s'pose? I wonder if he will actually try to jump through the (unConstitutional) hoops to get a CCW.

Apparently a goodly part of Australia's violent crime problems are caused by what would have to be described as financially comfortable older Americans on expensive hunting trips in remote areas.
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My credibilty is being stretched even further over that one. What the heck are these wealthy Americans doing out there in the boonies? Rapine of the natives at riflepoint?

Shooting aircraft?

Road signs? Livestock?

And what's to hunt out there? 'Roos? Pigs? Wombats?

Hmmmmmmmm.......

I don't know about that one, man. Sounds contrived. To what end I don't know.
 
The downside to getting a CCW permit is that your name will be on a list that the government has access to. Usually not a good thing.
 
Question for any LEOs present:

Does a CCW pop up on your computer when conducting a traffic stop?
 
Sure I can think of a downside, if your ccw is indicated on your d/l or even if the LE asks if you have a firearm in the vehicle in a state where your ccw is not valid you could be toast. As a surviver of a NE DOT safety inspection, (today) it occured to me that there are so many rules now that you could be in violation of several on a daily basis and not know it. For instance, my ccw is not valid in NE or IA, I was working in both for the last 2 weeks. Firearms storage rules are unloaded, stored in a hard case seperate from ammo and out of reach. There is the rub, all you have to do is get out and get in the back seat, ( I pull a large trailor behind a P/U). I was fleased down by the DOT boys, their words not mine, on a bogus safety rule. They do get credit for citations issued and were bragging about how many they issued today.
Then it hit me, its all about money, power, and attaboys. Could I contest the $100.00 fine? Sure, with another 2 days off work and another trip to NE. I paid my fine and got out of there as fast as I could before they asked about firearms or searched my truck. Illegal search you say, BS. Even if illegal how about being arrested in another state, waiting to go before a judge, having your firearm taken, getting a lawyer, going back for trial, even after being found not guilty getting your firearm back. The LEO still gets credit for getting a firearm off the street. Attaboy.

Instead of one firearm per month laws lets limit congress critters to one law per month
 
Does a CCW pop up on your computer when conducting a traffic stop?
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So far, only if the DL is from my state, but then again, I've never stopped someone from out of state with a CCW to my knowledge. Arkansas has no duty to inform unless asked. I'll ask around.

Illegal search you say, BS.
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According to the Highway Police I've talked to (Highway Police in Arkansas are the guys who enforce DOT regs) it's the vehicle they're detaining, not the operator. Your truck is guilty and it has no rights. I don't know what their practical limits are in a search, but they have waaayy more leeway than state, county or local police because you're driving a commercial vehicle.
 
I can't think of any downside, other than the associated money loss with buying pistols/accessories/ammunition. The lengthy search thing is probably very unlikely, as I believe most LEOs understand that CWP holders are not really a problem.
 
I would imagine that many LEOs would like for all people to carry around concealed permits even if they never carried firearms. The permits are like instant background checks.
 
Do I see a downside to having a carry permit? Nope. Unless you purchase all your firearms from private individuals, do your own gun-smithing, pay cash at gun shows for all your ammo or reloading equipment, etc. the fact that you own guns is already something that can be information-mined.

Would DOT have a problem with that?
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No.

Apparently a goodly part of Australia's violent crime problems are caused by what would have to be described as financially comfortable older Americans on expensive hunting trips in remote areas.
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The OP is using ironic sarcasm. It would have been clear that it was the OPs intent to make fun of the Australian gvt. for requiring all the paperwork if he had placed the :rolleyes: right after the first sentence in that short paragraph. By putting it at the end of the paragraph it reads a little less clearly if you miss the "entirely understandable requirement".

e.g. -
"Apparently a goodly part of Australia's violent crime problems are caused by what would have to be described as financially comfortable older Americans on expensive hunting trips in remote areas.:rolleyes: This has resulted in a the entirely understandable requirement that said hunters provide reams of paperwork to the Australian government in order to be allowed to bring a couple of bolt action sporting rifles and a few boxes of ammo.:banghead: ;)"
 
Yeah. It'll lose you "friends" who don't understand their rights.

You could no longer be able to go to friends or families homes without giving up that right.

It could even lose jobs for you or prevent you from getting the ones you want because they ban carry and maybe you just don't put up with that nonsense.

Sticking up for your right to defend yourself does have a couple downsides but thats the price you pay for standing up for whats right.
 
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