Dr. Laura on the VT massacre

[HiroProX]

Any nation that does not inspire it's men and women to fight to preserve it willingly has no right to exist... and will cease to exist.

You cannot make a man lay down his life for another. He has to be willing to do so on his own accord.

Conscription = slavery.

 

[Pilgrim]

Just what we need to do...give the feds a massive increase in the number of soldiers at their disposal.

From another point of view, a government against the private ownership of arms sure as hell doesn't want to teach a lot of young Americans that they are fun to have and shoot.

Pilgrim

 

[ezypikns]

Right on!

What??! You actually believe yourself to be free?

We'll be much more free in the U.K......no wait, Australia....no, wait....uh, just where should we go?

And did any of you ever hear about something called "The Draft"? I worked just fine for most of us.

You live in this great country. You enjoy all of its freedoms (and please stop whining about how you're enslaved). And you feel like compulsory military service is just too much to ask? Stop and think a minute.

 

[DualBerettas]

There are some good points in the video

Terrorstorm

find it on google video

DB

 

[tincat2]

National service

I'm going to propose that for all 18 yr. olds(and I'm not going to jump around about rights too much because these are children who are ending the "child" phase of life and we should do the best to set them off right ) should do a mandatory two year national service thing where they will be given several types of training during their stint. When they are done, they will have learned some military discipline(notice it's first on my list) and skills(weapons and self defense training). They will also get a GED or a decent(12-15 hrs.) semester's worth of college credit(accepted at any university in the country by law). In addition, they will have gained on the job experience and training in some task that the country needs done(point here is to get some stuff done and build confidence in the kids in their ability to get stuff done). Lots of things to work out about this, but I do believe that we could help bolster a national identity in upcoming generations with a shared experience of work and discipline leading to betterment. Of course, the participants would be paid reasonably w/bonuses for better and best performance, etc. I don't see this as an 'army' per se, and the purpose should not be a military one rather a civilian contribution to society(no buying or talking your way out, except for major complications). If this training dovetails into a voluntary stretch in the military, ok, but completely voluntary unless a true national emergency exists. Politicians and their corporate cronies will have to be kept away under promise(not just threat-mandatory, hope you don't get caught cause your beer belly or bad heart's just gonna make it worse on you) of harsh manual labor penalties assessed from the top down. Since the parents don't seem to be able or want to bring the kids to adulthood, maybe this will work as a kind of finishing school sort of thing.

 

[Cosmoline]

What makes this a pro-RKBA stance? She wants to institute a universal draft and have some sort of official arms training. What's the difference between that and Robert Clark telling us to join the military if we want to shoot assault rifles?

 

[SWModel19]

Personally, I like SciFi author Robert Heinlein's approach: military service is completely voluntary, but if you don't volunteer, you cannot vote or run for office.

 

[Soybomb]

Personally, I like SciFi author Robert Heinlein's approach: military service is completely voluntary, but if you don't volunteer, you cannot vote or run for office.

So it would be a government of the military and not a government of the people? I'll pass.

 

[gunsmith]

Dr Laura isn't against rkba and she stands up for two abused groups in this country, children and men.
I've listened to her off & on for years, I don't always agree with her but my life would have been better if I had someone like her to listen to when I was young

 

[rhinov]

I could see some kind of draft if and only if the country was in a situation where it may be totally overpowered by an outside force. Not before that. This is america and the government doesn't own any of us. I never served but I think those who did are better men than me. The military is better off having people in it who want to be in it anyway.

 

[Strings]

Nope... Heinlein had it right: if you want to be a citizen, give a two-year term of service to the country. And it wasn't JUST military service: it could concievably be anything (postal work, road crew, disaster relief).

Of course, I don't think they were any illiterates in Starship Troopers...

 

[TimboKhan]

Dr. Laura is on the short list of women I despise (also included: Feinstein, O'Donnell and DeGette), but I sort of have to agree with her on this one. I have long said that compulsory service, military or otherwise, after graduation would be a good idea. I know the kids would whine about it, but it is good experience for them, helps the country out and I think it would reduce binge drinking on college campuses. Of course, there are plenty of holes in my logic that you can exploit, but what it really boils down to is that I feel like todays kids, on the whole, could stand a dose of reality and hardship. I am only 35, but I am going to be graduating college in May and My guess is that maybe about 20% of the kids that started when I did are going to be there with me. I see a lack of even the most basic discipline, a huge sense of entitlement and an inability to cope with much of anything past a bad text message. Frankly, I include myself in that group (or, at least I would have...), because I KNOW that if I had went to college directly after high school, I would have drank my way out inside of a year. Allrighty, I am done waving my stick and yelling at the clouds....

 

[ArfinGreebly]

State Education

For a moment I'm going to suspend my bias against state education (indoctrination and all that).

Let's assume for a moment that some kind of infrastructure could be realized using either actual .gov training or contracted training and that this could handle the volumes coming out of high schools.

Its entire purpose would be training. The basic training would be a minimum of three months. At the end of three months, all those passing the course would be officially militia-qualified. From here, after receiving one's training certificate, there would be three options:

1. receive choice of small arm, go home;
2. go on to advanced training as a paid course of study;
3. go on to formal military service as a volunteer, choose branch and term of service.

Now, rather than make this mandatory, there would be some kind of incentive. Long term tax break. Special discounts for higher education. Subsidies on weapons and/or ammo purchases. Free membership at gun ranges. Whatever.

(I tend to favor the "service of some kind as a condition of voting" but that's kind of beyond the scope of this.)

Given adequate incentives, you make it possible to have an actual well-regulated militia that's not part of a standing army.

Additionally, the arms used in military service would be generally well understood in the civilian population.

Eventually, a well-trained, armed culture is the result. Competence with firearms becomes as expected as an understanding of baseball or football or basketball.

Gun ownership becomes (in the words of Oleg) unremarkable.

 

[Strings]

I'd like to hereby nominate Arfin for whatever public office we can stuff him into!

 

[Waywatcher]

An event like this shows peoples' true colors.

 

[RealGun]

Given adequate incentives, you make it possible to have an actual well-regulated militia that's not part of a standing army.

Additionally, the arms used in military service would be generally well understood in the civilian population.

Carrying a defensive handgun has nothing to do with rifles, other than rifles being a related interest not common to all those choosing to carry a handgun.

Do us a favor and keep the 2A and personal self defense as separate and distinct rights. Self defense relates more to the 9A, although certainly dependent upon a lack of infringement of the RKBA. I say that because only those rights in which the government would have a special interest are enumerated in the BoR. Self defense is not one of them. Furthermore, the 2A does not (yet) apply to States, although it clearly was so intended (by the 14A).

With that in mind, it is not a good idea to rationalize why a defensive weapons training program should be government funded. A familiarity with firearms in general, especially infantry standard issue (rifles), would be a good thing and one in which the government would or should have an interest. Handgun training would only be justified as government funded to the extent that a soldier would use one.

It would be nice to say that the US -IS- an army like Switzerland's armed population, but we are a long way from that in our current culture.

 

[Thin Black Line]

What's the problem? We might pick up some voters! Besides, they'll learn things like how to make a bed and about keeping their quarters neat and clean. They'll learn the joys of regular showers. All that will make life a heckuva lot easier after they're married.

Art, I would be in favor of this if we were using the original state-based "militia"
system that the Founding Fathers envisioned. Not the current one that is
developing where the State governors are out of the loop and one man (or
future woman) in DC gets to make the sole decision of where to enforce the
globalist empire on any given day.

If Dr. Laura wants to cite mandatory military service like what they have in
Switzerland, then we need to be more like that and re-visit our old stance
of isolationism and securing our freakin' borders like the Swiss do. If Dr.
Laura wants to cite mandatory MS like what they have in Israel, then when
we "go it alone" in foreign military action in self-defence we bomb the cr@p
out of something hit it hard, don't bother to rebuild it, and withdraw.

As far as marital benefits for military service, I would certainly agree w/ Dr. L
when it comes to personal responsibility in relationships and MS alone won't
do that. In fact, long repeated deployments show just the opposite.

 

[ptmmatssc]

Constitution , Artilce 1 , Section 8 , powers of congress

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Rather than mandatory US military idea being tossed around , I would rather see congress arming the militia and letting the states train them . Though I like the swiss idea , I don't think forcing people in a "free" country into the armed services is right . On the other hand , anyone not joining the armed forces or becoming a member of their state militia should not be able to get state/federal aid . Since they are not willing to do their part in defense of nation , they should not be able to reap the rewards .

 

[Blackfork]

Army teaches shooting?

The Army doesn't like spending the money on range time and bullets to teach shooting NOW. (The Marines do, but that's the Marines.)

I like the idea of reversing the bureaucratic resistance to armed citizens. They don't have to help, just get the hell out of the way. Cancelling all gun law Miller-to-present and enforcing the Second Amendment whenever someone objects to ownership, possession, range placement, et.

The ATF could be put to work guarding the Mexican Border. Make them the ATM.

Just quit hassling gun owners as a POLICY.

 

[Two Cold Soakers]

HiroProX

Any nation that does not inspire it's men and women to fight to preserve it willingly has no right to exist... and will cease to exist.

You cannot make a man lay down his life for another. He has to be willing to do so on his own accord.

Did you come up with that yourself?
That's very good. Can I use that? (I won't take credit)

 

[Kentak]

Good points, but no on the compulsory military training.

Encouraging more people to become firearms and tactically trained, yes.

K

 

[The Viking]

Compulsory my a$$. Might have been while we still had the Soviet Union to worry about, but not anymore. I actually WANTED to to military service, but I was told I couldn't. I believe that maybe 20% of the 19 year olds will do military service this year. It ain't compulsory anymore. Just say "I don't wanna do it", and you're off.

 

[longeyes]

I would be in favor of this if we were using the original state-based "militia"
system that the Founding Fathers envisioned. Not the current one that is
developing where the State governors are out of the loop and one man (or
future woman) in DC gets to make the sole decision of where to enforce the
globalist empire on any given day.

My view as well. Another way of saying RKBA's future is entwined with a cultural transformation.

 

[wingman]

Conscription = slavery.

Bull, poor comparison. We need the draft now more then any time in history,
our schools, homes have very little discipline. People fear order and discipline
and because of that fact alone this country will not maintain it's freedom.
People look to someone for protection, police, military but most do not want to serve.
At the very least stop the slavery comparison it is silly and juvenile.

 

[LoneCoon]

So it would be a government of the military and not a government of the people? I'll pass.

Heinlein's idea was that people who wanted to be part of the national service were willing to put other ahead of themselves. Thus, they were superior voters as they would often choose what was best for the people rather than the people ignorantly giving up rights to anyone who asked.

That said, while military experience might be enlightening, mandating it for all persons turning 18 is a perfectly terrible idea. Lets take citizens who have never even gotten a chance to vote on something and put them into a high stress environment because we think "it will be good for them?"

Seems to me that we're against people telling us they they know what's best for us.