Durability of other polymer pistols compared to Glock

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I've read about the "torture test" for the Glock. It really took a licking and kept going. Any opinions about how close other polymer pistols can come to Glock when it comes to durability? Were there any extensive experiments done?

Springfield XD
S&W M&P
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Torture testing to me equals shooting it till it breaks, not dropping it off a roof or burying in the dirt, etc. etc.

From Todd Greens Endurance tests. http://pistol-training.com/
You can read them all through the archives.

SA 1911 (9mm)
64,579rds 15 Stoppages 0 malfunctions 5 Parts Breakages
*Barrel shot out

Glock 17 Gen4
71,260rds 19 Stoppages (+1 non LCI) 0 malfunctions 3 Parts Breakages
*Breachface damage

S&W M&P9
62,333rds 2 Stoppages 0 malfunctions 3 Parts Breakages
*Cracked Slide

H&K P30
91,322rds 13 Stoppages 0 malfunctions 5 Parts Breakages
*Broken Frame

H&K45
50,000rds 1 Stoppages 1 malfunctions 1 Parts Breakage
*unknown why he stopped the test..

Glock had the quickest stoppage at round 62 and the HK45 went the longest to round 31,523.
His next test gun will be the Sig 229-1
 
Don't worry about it.

Any modern handgun will go 50,000+ rounds easy, with minimum care.

That's about $30,000 in ammo at today's prices.

And most modern guns come with a limited lifetime warranty of some sort.

You simply will not live long enough, or make enough money to buy the ammo to wear one out.
And if you do?

Send it in and they will fix it or give you another new one.

rc
 
And most modern guns come with a limited lifetime warranty of some sort.

You simply will not live long enough, or make enough money to buy the ammo to wear one out.
And if you do?

Send it in and they will fix it or give you another new one.

rc


A lot of the lifetime warranties are for original purchaser only, IIRC.

Also, there is the issue of shipping. I heard of one fellow on here paying $90 in shipping to use his "warranty".
 
SA 1911 (9mm)
64,579rds 15 Stoppages 0 malfunctions 5 Parts Breakages
*Barrel shot out

Glock 17 Gen4
71,260rds 19 Stoppages (+1 non LCI) 0 malfunctions 3 Parts Breakages
*Breachface damage

S&W M&P9
62,333rds 2 Stoppages 0 malfunctions 3 Parts Breakages
*Cracked Slide

H&K P30
91,322rds 13 Stoppages 0 malfunctions 5 Parts Breakages
*Broken Frame

H&K45
50,000rds 1 Stoppages 1 malfunctions 1 Parts Breakage
*unknown why he stopped the test..

Glock had the quickest stoppage at round 62 and the HK45 went the longest to round 31,523.
His next test gun will be the Sig 229-1

Nice to see someone trying to produce some real results. I did note (I think already mentioned) that these guns were not properly maintained and some need it more than others. Also that maintenance is similar to not changing oil in a car with regular oil. Different designs may fail before others because of design when maintenance is not properly performed so YMMV in a real longevity test. BTW I did not see where these were lubed when cleaned ( think he said he cleaned them every 5000) Which brings up a question, does purposefully disregarding recommended maintenance and care and running one ragged by pushing limits give real world results that can be universally applied? Other than the shorter life span of low to no maintenance that is. Interesting nonetheless.

I did not see a few things in the posted test results when I read the article on the website, Is there more information on other pages/links of the test ( or did I miss it and it's there)? FE the slide cracking on the M&P or the Glock breach face damage and H&K broken frame?
 
+1 on what rcmodel said above. Most modern guns are built to last several generations if not neglected or abused. I doubt there is much differences between Glocks, S&W, Ruger, SIG, H&K etc in this regard.
 
I have to agree that most if not all of the "quality" firearm manufacturers today will give you a gun that will last many more times then the average shooter will ever see ...I've owned two Glocks and really don't get the " it's all that and more " thing...aside from a couple of edc I would still prefer cold hard steel
 
I think a lot of it is the marketing of Glock engrained on the shooting sport's psyche. I have owned Glocks, and they are fine, fine weapons. Reliable, durable, and a proven track record of be serviceable and cost effective to shoot/maintain.

That said, any gun manufacturer worth being considered is producing a pistol that the average non-competitive shooter probably just won't wear out beyond maybe a recoil spring, and most of the time those are probably changed out based on religious principle of an arbitrary number of rounds as stated online rather than a performance issue.

I will admit, I'm not a seasoned shooter. I have only be delving into the world of firearms for the last 6 years. When I started looking at semis, I really believed that the Glock was the gold standard. Now, I still find them to be incredible guns, but I have moved on to picking a weapon based on different criteria other than "Will I wear this out" or "Can I pack this with mud and still shoot the 8 terrorists kicking in my door at 3am?"

My big gripe with Glock IS durability...their dang plastic sights. While I don't see a need for my gun to function unlubed with sand in the action, I DO know that it is going to see a fair amount of getting knocked around getting it in and out of the safe. It always irks me that I need to pay extra money to get a set of non-mushy steel sights for my Glocks when so many of them come with steel or even night sights right from the factory.

Other than that, I purchase a polymer firearm based on known track record, CS, comfort in hand, and features that I want on my gun.

In short, you could drop me into a TEOTWAWKI situation with ANY of the listed pistols, three loaded mags, and several boxes of ammo, and I would be happy to have it. I rotate my carry/range pieces so often that I don't think I'll ever wear one completely out beyond a spring kit of some sort.
 
My big gripe with Glock IS durability...their dang plastic sights. While I don't see a need for my gun to function unlubed with sand in the action, I DO know that it is going to see a fair amount of getting knocked around getting it in and out of the safe. It always irks me that I need to pay extra money to get a set of non-mushy steel sights for my Glocks when so many of them come with steel or even night sights right from the factory.
I believe Glock factory sights have been referred to as "dovetail protectors" by Larry Vickers and a few others.
 
Spend less time worrying about who markets what, and what other people did with the gun, and more time shooting, and eventually you will find out what breaks on your gun and how many rounds it takes to break it.
 
Does ur beloved torture test include cleaning and lubricating? Because that's basic gun care.
LOL. If it includes dropping it off buildings and dunking it in mud and shooting it underwater and dragging it behind a truck and all that other standard "torture test" stuff? I'm gonna say NO. Because NOT doing those things to your gun is "basic gun care," too!

One guy's "torture test" is doing whatever he can to physically damage the gun. The next guy's "torture test" is simply shooting it, as is, until it stops working. The next guy's "torture test" (apparently) is shooting it a lot and cleaning and maintaining it as needed until it finally wears out through normal use.

Sounds torturous!

I'm with rc: By the time you've shot enough through any common service style sidearm to really wear one out, you'll have bought enough ammo to have paid for that gun again 30-60 times.

This is not an area to stress over.
 
Although it's true that today's guns will last a long time before being completely useless, a factor that must be considered is how much maintenence, including replacing various components that fail, has to be done before the gun does become useless.
 
A well-made implementation of a good design will be durable as long as the manufacturer and designer do their jobs well and actually intended for the product to be durable. Doesn't matter what it's made from.
 
Although it's true that today's guns will last a long time before being completely useless, a factor that must be considered is how much maintenence, including replacing various components that fail, has to be done before the gun does become useless.

True, in a way, but modern polymer-framed pistols don't seem to take a back seat, in any way, to older designs when it comes to small-parts maintenance and upkeep.

If we accept that the frame is going to keep on going, all the rest of the bits and pieces really aren't very different (and are often simpler!) from older all-metal guns. I've certainly had to replace quite a few more 1911 parts than xDM parts, for example.

And for a REAL (though probably unfair) challenge, compare the longevity of a Glock to a S&W or Colt revolver! Yeah, you'll have to do a bit of maintenance to keep either going past the 50,000 round mark ... but fixing end-shake and peened bolt notches, etc., is a lot more hassle than swapping a few springs, small parts, or even a barrel! on a Glock. There's plenty of Glocks with well over 100,000 rounds through them. That's probably several lifetimes for a wheelgun.
 
Although it's true that today's guns will last a long time before being completely useless, a factor that must be considered is how much maintenence, including replacing various components that fail, has to be done before the gun does become useless.

Not at all... whatever small parts you have to replace, are completely and totally irrelevant compared to the other costs, which as mentioned, is ammo.
 
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