Eaa 10 mm?
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I've known several guys who bought EAA's in 10mm. None have worked properly. The track recored in 1911's is somewhat questionable. Some seem to have it figured out, others not so well. The Glock and S&W 1006 series are the only 2 platforms for 10mm that have a good track record for working right. If I wanted a 10mm those are the only 2 I'd consider. I bought Glock.
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Everyone has heard someone somewhere's Uncle's Brother.
Best bang for the buck 10mm you can buy if you get metal. Opt for a Match on up and you are fine. I wouldn't part with mine for a 1006 or a Delta. Deltas really need a barrel swap to be spot-on and 1006's aren't made anymore. If you found a 1006 you will spend $700 on up for it and still hold less capacity. Depends on what you found there for $400.
Best bang for the buck 10mm you can buy if you get metal. Opt for a Match on up and you are fine. I wouldn't part with mine for a 1006 or a Delta. Deltas really need a barrel swap to be spot-on and 1006's aren't made anymore. If you found a 1006 you will spend $700 on up for it and still hold less capacity. Depends on what you found there for $400.
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So long as it's not a rounded slide model, the Witness 10mm's are GTG. I have two, a Limited and a Compact. Both have been excellent guns.
A $500 current production gun for a $600-$900 out of production peice that's only going to get more expensive and also happens to be the best 10mm extant would be a smart trade. If you're ever presented with the opportunity, you should reconsider. I like my Witnesses, but I'd let go of both before my 1006 without a second thought.
A $500 current production gun for a $600-$900 out of production peice that's only going to get more expensive and also happens to be the best 10mm extant would be a smart trade. If you're ever presented with the opportunity, you should reconsider. I like my Witnesses, but I'd let go of both before my 1006 without a second thought.
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Last 1006 I saw on Broker was $1000 by auction end. My Match may not be as Tank strong as the 1006 but it's for sure a better looking piece.
What will happen in the future when parts for 1006 aren't out there?
What will happen in the future when parts for 1006 aren't out there?
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Have two, no problems with either gun. Both guns handle all types of ammo.
Ash
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The Witness pistols in 10mm that had reliability issues were the compact models. Round-tops have had trouble with cracked slides from heat treating. Square-topped Witness pistols have generally been good, often great pistols. 10mm Match pistols, around $500, have an excellent reputation.
I am a little bit bothered by the ammo available from different manufacturers. Federal has two bullet types, FMJ and their HS1 self defense, both having a muzzle energy of 435 ft-lb. That's about the same as I get in 40 S&W for the same ammo. Remington pushes one up to 529 ft-lbs and Winchester Super-X puts out 649 ft-lbs. It seems Federal is being conservative. But then there's little difference over a 40. Of course the Federal ammo costs a lot more in 10mm than in 40.
Witness 10 auto
Purchased NIB Witness Elite Match in 10 auto 3 weeks ago. Purchased major manufactures 180gr ammo and fired 30 rounds after complete cleaning and inspection. All 30 rounds were heavly expanded in a "coma" shape for approximately 40% of case just above the extractor groove. Sold pistol the same day to buyer who WASNT going to reload for it and just wanted a 10mm to add to his large collection. Dont know if the brass was soft or it was just the lack of support at the ramp/barrel junction. No, the rounds werent from the hotrod loaders. Bought a Glock G20 and so far no more problems. I guess it just depends how risk tolerant you are.
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Purchased NIB Witness Elite Match in 10 auto 3 weeks ago. Purchased major manufactures 180gr ammo and fired 30 rounds after complete cleaning and inspection. All 30 rounds were heavly expanded in a "coma" shape for approximately 40% of case just above the extractor groove. Sold pistol the same day to buyer who WASNT going to reload for it and just wanted a 10mm to add to his large collection. Dont know if the brass was soft or it was just the lack of support at the ramp/barrel junction. No, the rounds werent from the hotrod loaders. Bought a Glock G20 and so far no more problems. I guess it just depends how risk tolerant you are.
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Edarnold
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Note that the Federal 180gr. FMJ works out to a Power factor of just over 180, which makes it Major for those who are playing gun games. A very mild load in my steel Witness full-size.
plateshooter
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I own a full size Witness with the "Wonder" finish. I have two upper assemblies for it, a 10mm, and a 45 acp. I have had no problems with it. It is accurate, reliable, and shoots to point of aim with either upper. I don't have any round slides so I can't comment on them.
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They have great support. Here is a video of mine today slinging some 200gr pills at 1300 FPS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiap8Oz6Wrc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiap8Oz6Wrc
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Colt Delta Elite 10mm
I've had no problems with my Colt Delta Elite 10mm. The enclosed picture is, I assure you, a recommendation for the gun, rather than for me. *I* am at best an average shooter so if a gun will do that in my hands it has to be good.
Commercial ammo is a disappointment, being mostly "40S&W Long." I handload to get the spec performance.
I've had no problems with my Colt Delta Elite 10mm. The enclosed picture is, I assure you, a recommendation for the gun, rather than for me. *I* am at best an average shooter so if a gun will do that in my hands it has to be good.
Commercial ammo is a disappointment, being mostly "40S&W Long." I handload to get the spec performance.
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Peter M. Eick
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I had a square slide witness 10mm and I used it a lot. It was such a reliable stout gun that I would load up nuclear level reloads in it that I would not dare fire in anything else but a 610. Great gun. Unbelievable reliable and quite accurate. Great trigger out of the box also.
My only gripe was the fixed rear sights from the factory that I replaced with adjustables. After that it was near perfect. This was back in the 10 round mag days so I broke a few 10 round mags because they were wire cut 15 rounders. EAA replaced them no questions. Once 15 round mags were available a shooting buddy talked me out of the gun.
In the days prior to gun forums and the web to talk about, the witness 10mm was a great gun. Now it seems like everyone knows someone who has problems with it. Not sure why that is but it seems to be true.
I will say my 10mm witness and my 10mm Glock are two guns I think about that I probably should not have sold when I did. I regret those two occasionally.
My only gripe was the fixed rear sights from the factory that I replaced with adjustables. After that it was near perfect. This was back in the 10 round mag days so I broke a few 10 round mags because they were wire cut 15 rounders. EAA replaced them no questions. Once 15 round mags were available a shooting buddy talked me out of the gun.
In the days prior to gun forums and the web to talk about, the witness 10mm was a great gun. Now it seems like everyone knows someone who has problems with it. Not sure why that is but it seems to be true.
I will say my 10mm witness and my 10mm Glock are two guns I think about that I probably should not have sold when I did. I regret those two occasionally.
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Went out Friday to test my handloads in my round-top slide, Wonderfinish, full-size steel Witness. Only change to the gun was a Wolf 20# recoil spring. Hornaday says the 155gr. XTP backed by 12.5gr. of Blue Dot will get around 1400 fps. Having shot a lot of .357 Magnum from similar weight revolvers, I can believe it: significant recoil, but quite manageable. Cases showed nothing abnormal, gun functioned perfectly. Similar results for a slightly milder load with 165gr. Golden Sabers, these seemed very accurate.
No 'cracked slides', no 'didn't function', no 'bulged cases', no 'my dog bit me and ran away from home'. One person's experience with one example of the gun, take it for what it's worth.
No 'cracked slides', no 'didn't function', no 'bulged cases', no 'my dog bit me and ran away from home'. One person's experience with one example of the gun, take it for what it's worth.
MachIVshooter
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What exactly is a "coma" shape? Pretty sure that word only describes a state of living organisms as being unconscious/unresponsive for a long period.....
Motownfire
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If you want a reliable 10MM that will fire every time unless it's a ammo issue, Glock is the only answer.
Ash
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Wrong, but spoken like a true Glockophile.
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Yea Motown way off.
Here is my Witness again today firing off some 165 pills @ 1385 FPS. No hiccups and accurate as all get out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcRy4Nd_JHc
Here is my Witness again today firing off some 165 pills @ 1385 FPS. No hiccups and accurate as all get out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcRy4Nd_JHc
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MachIVshooter
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My G20 has had one failure so far in about 300 rounds. That's one more failure than my 1006 has had in 8 years and many times that round count. My Kimber also has a better batting average........
duelist1954
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I have one with the Match slide. It is a great gun. More accurate than my Glock 20SF.
Here is a video of the 10mm Witness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weWUny0rCRo
Here is a video of the 10mm Witness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weWUny0rCRo
SlicLee
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There is Smith and Colt.
Smith made 10's to shoot high power ammo.
Guns are 1006,1076 and 1026 there are differences, they all shoot great out of the box.
Most self defense ammo out there is junk. Research, read protect your life, dont believe what john or sam on the wire says.
The most powerful 10mm ammo is corbon for self defense or hunting.
The 135 grain HP or 150 you will grin.
My Deltas shot into 2" at 25 can do better, the Smiths shot at about 3" can do better, this is stock out of the box used slightly. Beware dealers at gun shows. $450 is good price or more for 1026 etc comes in box wrapped in brown wax paper. Check mags carefully, you can buy extra followers from Smith.
Glock also works but is ammo restrictive.
The 40 caliber cartridge is easily capable of loads up to 1500 fps + more. These two calibers I believe are the most versatile out there, good if you reload. Enjoy Lee
Smith made 10's to shoot high power ammo.
Guns are 1006,1076 and 1026 there are differences, they all shoot great out of the box.
Most self defense ammo out there is junk. Research, read protect your life, dont believe what john or sam on the wire says.
The most powerful 10mm ammo is corbon for self defense or hunting.
The 135 grain HP or 150 you will grin.
My Deltas shot into 2" at 25 can do better, the Smiths shot at about 3" can do better, this is stock out of the box used slightly. Beware dealers at gun shows. $450 is good price or more for 1026 etc comes in box wrapped in brown wax paper. Check mags carefully, you can buy extra followers from Smith.
Glock also works but is ammo restrictive.
The 40 caliber cartridge is easily capable of loads up to 1500 fps + more. These two calibers I believe are the most versatile out there, good if you reload. Enjoy Lee
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