educate me on the HK P7, please

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I'm considering one of these and have searched a few forum posts for info. Is it true that HK will only provide warranty work on guns originally imported by HK? And since I have no choice but to buy this gun used, is that a non-issue in the first place? How do I tell? Are the precence of the Sterling or Chantilly rollmarks a guarantee of importation by HK or is there more / other stuff I should be looking for?

What are Grade A, Grade B, Grade C? I feel like I'm buying a steak!

One poster in a forum said only buy the PSP version if you know what you're getting into. From what I've seen the only difference is the much-hated heel magazine release. That's OK with me, but is this the only difference? Actually now that I think about it, PSP means it was probably (or definately?) a welll-used, police-issue weapon that maybe has been reblued / rebuilt... is this what the poster was talking about?

Other that what I asked above, or the tell-tale purple reblue, or that the gun gets hot after a few rounds, is there anything else I should be aware of?

Thank you in advance!
 
Have you ever owned a HK?

If not, just know that "Teutonic Customer Service" isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

The recent surplus imports were not imported by HK, and HK will not stand behind these guns. They won't do warranty work and I don't think they will do any work on them at all. (Although I could be wrong on that)

To make matters more fun, HK won't sell you parts so you can do the work yourself. They'll only sell parts to HK authorized reps. Good luck getting parts.

I've owned both the P7M8 and PSP pistols. They were nifty, in an overenginered cuckoo clock sort of way, but I wound up selling them all.

I found that I just couldn't shoot the P7 as well as my CZ 75 or even my $150 Makarov!

They are interesting guns and many people really love them. Other's hate them. I seem to be one of the few that are just indifferent towards them. My P7 itch was thoroughly scratched and I have no desire to ever own another one or reallly even to shoot one again.

In general, for any surplus gun, buy the best grade that is available. I haven't seen these HK's, but I'd go with the best grade they offer, every time.
 
Welcome to THR MIgunguy!

First off, I think that yo should do some searches here by clicking the "search" button above and typing in your questions.

Your questions are very common and have been regularly asked on this board for years and years and years and years...

Also, I suggest that you visit the Cult of the P7 site at:
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=10

I own a P7 (Chantilly import), P7M8 and a P7M13. Many people like the P7 over the P7M8 for carry because it is slightly more slender and I would almost agree -except that I don't carry 9mm.
Your refurb is a fine gun, whatever German policeman that it was issued-to would have taken good care of it and probably fired it only during training and qualification. Just remember that the P7-line of pistols are meant for urban carry & use, not battlefield environments and it will last you many lifetimes.
 
i have a PSP bought new and a M8 (LE trade-in) i got a few years ago.

i really like them and how they point and function. i carried my PSP as a duty weapon for awhile and it was very reliable.

i never considered factory support when i bought it. if something needs fixing, i'm sending mine to Bruce Gray

www.Grayguns.com
 
I just bought a PSP myself. I'm very excited.

As far as them not being imported by HK, why then does mine bear an import stamp?
 
I have several P7M8s, and after my 1911s they're my favorite pistols. They are accurate, handy and compact; and I think make an excellent carry weapon. They do have a unique manual of arms which will take some time and focused practice to get used to.
 
Get yourself one while you can, before you know it, they'll be priced higher than Colt Pythons. I've got two and looking for two more. (But the two I have left are the REALLY pricey ones.) Besides my Mark 23, they are the most fun guns I've ever shot. Good luck in finding one!
 
As far as them not being imported by HK, why then does mine bear an import stamp?
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What company name is on the import stamp?

The cheap P7's on the market now, mainly PSP's, are ex German police guns. They were imported by surplus gun importers, not HK.

HK guns will be marked, "HK Chantilly VA" or with HK's other U.S. city (can't recall the city"

Anything not marked that way was not imported by HK as a gun for retail trade. Instead it was imported as a surplus gun by another company. That means HK won't touch it.

PWA Arms is one importer. There are others, but I can't recall them at the moment.
 
The recent surplus imports were not imported by HK, and HK will not stand behind these guns. They won't do warranty work and I don't think they will do any work on them at all. (Although I could be wrong on that)

To make matters more fun, HK won't sell you parts so you can do the work yourself. They'll only sell parts to HK authorized reps. Good luck getting parts.
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Well, to be blunt... you're wrong.

HK did import these guns. Thats why thay carry the Trussville stamp. If you can find another importer stamp please show us.

No, HK will not warranty a 25 year old police trade. Surprised? They will work on them for a fee.

Yes, you can buy parts directly from HK, at least I have and I'm not too special. It's easy...pickup the phone, order, pay, wait a few days and the part appears at your door.

What are Grade A, Grade B, Grade C? I feel like I'm buying a steak!
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The grades are the method HK, (notice that name again), used to seperate out the various guns by condition. The better the condition the higher the price. Many "A" buyers reported that the guns looked new.

They have not been reblued. Some appear to have had some critical parts replaced.

is there anything else I should be aware of?
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Parts are expensive. The good news is that these guns are very robust. Holsters are available but usually by special order.

Magazines run $40 to $55. Buy them now, they won't get any cheaper.
 
Well, to be blunt... you're wrong.

HK *did *import these guns. Thats why thay carry the Trussville stamp. If you can find another importer stamp please show us.

*No*, HK will not warranty a 25 year old police trade. Surprised? They will work on them for a fee.

*Yes*, you can buy parts directly from HK, at least I have and I'm not too special. It's easy...pickup the phone, order, pay, wait a few days amd the part appears at your door.
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Well, to be blunt....you're right. Ordered parts many times....I live about 20 miles from Trussville and I go by personally. They do work on their...its their guns.
 
Ok, I'll stand corrected if you guys have the guns in front of you with the HK import stamp.

The last batch of police trade in were imported by other importers and I wasn't aware HK was now importing these guns themselves as well.

Disregard what I said about no factory support as well as obviously other people have more current info then I have.
 
The two I occasionally put up for sale (and which keep falling through...maybe I'm cursed) say Trussville.

Nice guns, but they don't fit my hand and I like to have all my guns use similarly-placed controls.
 
I rented a P7 PSP at a SE MI range, and I loved it. The mag release location was a little weird, but I got used to it. It's a phenomenally quick drawing carry gun where you just squeeze and fire. I think it would be ideal for CCW. It's low profile and long barrel for the size are nice for CCW, too. It's very accurate, as well.
 
I love the P7, but if you can't afford it, look at a CZ 75D PCR or 2075 RAMI for carry.
 
I got a PSP a few months ago and recently have been using it for my summer carry gun. Its real flat and doesnt print like my USPc does under an untucked tshirt. I'm kind of a sweater though so have to be sure to keep it nice and lubed.
 
Parts are expensive. The good news is that these guns are very robust. Holsters are available but usually by special order.
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Yep.

P7's are over engineered, over built, and I have three over in my closet. I love 'em. And I keep spare sparts. The parts are not an issue.
 
I've had an HK imported P7M8 and a PWA imported P7 PSP for many years and they have been incredibly accurate and reliable. I don't care about factory support, they are a very well made pistol.
 
Well, I took the plunge, joined the "cult", and am the new owner of a 2003-produced, never fired (except at the factory), HK Inc. imported (Sterling, VA) P7M8. I haven't fired it yet and I already want another. My conclusion thus far, based on what I've read on multiple forums and from extensively handling the gun, is that it's twice as expensive as any other handgun I own and four times as good... a remarkabke piece of engineering. The fact that it's totally ambidextrious is a big + in my case. The only reason I was lucky enough to grab it was that I was the first to commit to paying the seller's full asking price... I can't believe people will dicker over $25 on a $1000 purchase.:confused:

I never fully understood the AR, AK, or Glock "cult mentality", though I think they're all good guns, but now I understand the P7 cult enthusiasm. I'm sure it will only grow as I shoot this gun.

Thank you everyone for your responses.
 
Neat guns, from what I have read they are the best weapon to have if it gets snagged away (the police agencies that field these have reported in every case when the attacker tried to use the weapon he could not operate it).
 
Trebor,
Disregard what I said about no factory support as well as obviously other people have more current info then I have.
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I think you might be thinking of HK-Benelli stuff, which I have heard they are not quite as pleasant about supplying parts and such.

anyways, I am fond of my new old psp. At this point in the game, if something like that breaks, it will go up on the wall to look at, got lots of things that I can shoot or carry otherwise.
 
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