I certainly do see your point about the parts availability and dearth of service options, Balrog. That is a legitimate concern. If it ever does break, it surely will take more time and money to get it fixed than a Glock. We have two different philosophies, I suppose. I don't worry about it because if it breaks, I'll deal with it then, and use another gun until I can get it fixed. In the mean time, while it's working, I have the use of a really superb pistol. The shootability of which the OP's experience illustrates beautifully.
HK P7 vs. Glock 23
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I think it's more of a niche item than a novelty item. It's something that's a little bit different that you go out of your way for because you like the design so much. If you're a P7 fan you're willing to have a more limited holster selection than the Glock. You don't mind the longer wait if it ever needs parts/service. You don't mind that it gets hot during a range trip....and heck, you might even buy 2 of them to alternate. It's every bit the tool that the Glock is but it just has a more limited appeal (and availability). Nothing wrong with that at all. I don't own a P7 but I wouldn't mind owning one. I'm sure if I wrote out my ever expanding wish list.. it would make the cut.
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Grip safety. 1911 and XD/XDm.
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The p7/p9 grip thingy is way different feeling than the 1911/XD.
With the XD you don't know its there, with the 1911 you only know its there when the gun fails to go bang due to a rushed combat grip.
The p7/p9 deos take some training to get used to, but really is a nice weapon for CCW once your used to it.
With the XD you don't know its there, with the 1911 you only know its there when the gun fails to go bang due to a rushed combat grip.
The p7/p9 deos take some training to get used to, but really is a nice weapon for CCW once your used to it.
atomd - you hit that nail squarely on the head for sure.
Fact is, there is practically no holster selection out there.
I solved that problem by getting one from C. Rusty Sherrick - the Vertical High Ride Scabbard.
Fits and functions like a charm. I don't leave home without it. It's one of the best holsters I've ever purchased and I swear I've bought more holsters than Imelda Marcos had shoes.
Any P7ers out there might consider it time well spent to take a look at one.
Holster availability is definitely an issue. I had one made by Andy Aratoonian at Horseshoe Leather that carries it very nicely. I also got a Kramer Shoulder Rig for it last summer. It is a good winter option, but not my favorite way to carry. The one off-the-rack holster I bought for it was the DeSantis paddle holster. Avoid that one. It carries it way too high, which plays against the butt heavy nature of the P7.
I think the point about the Squeeze-cocker as it relates to the function of the pistol is that you work it exactly the same way you work any pistol. The cocking mechanism is essentially automatic in that you do not consciously think about it. You squeeze (i.e. establish a firm firing grip), and it's cocked. It's just that simple. It is helpful to think of the cocking motion not as an active, conscious act, but as an automatic, passive process.
I think the thing that some people find off-putting – principally those who have had the opportunity to handle the P7 but not shoot it – is the difference between the grip geometries when it is uncocked, and when it is cocked. Personally, it took me all of about one box of ammo to get over that. Then again, I was familiar with the design, and had a positive perspective about it. I truly believe mental attitude greatly influences our experiences and perceptions.
For what it's worth, while I respect and have a positive perspective about the Glock, I have never gotten used to the feel of the safety on the Glock trigger. I'm sure I would with more practice, but after shooting eight of them in short succession over a couple of weeks (I had gone shopping for a Glock when I ended up getting the P7 a few years ago), it still felt weird to me. That was a surprise, as I had, and still have, a respect for the mechanism similar to my respect for the squeeze-cocking mechanism of the P7. It is an elegant design solution. I do not presume to think this discomfort is a defect in the gun, merely an acclimation challenge for me.
I think the point about the Squeeze-cocker as it relates to the function of the pistol is that you work it exactly the same way you work any pistol. The cocking mechanism is essentially automatic in that you do not consciously think about it. You squeeze (i.e. establish a firm firing grip), and it's cocked. It's just that simple. It is helpful to think of the cocking motion not as an active, conscious act, but as an automatic, passive process.
I think the thing that some people find off-putting – principally those who have had the opportunity to handle the P7 but not shoot it – is the difference between the grip geometries when it is uncocked, and when it is cocked. Personally, it took me all of about one box of ammo to get over that. Then again, I was familiar with the design, and had a positive perspective about it. I truly believe mental attitude greatly influences our experiences and perceptions.
For what it's worth, while I respect and have a positive perspective about the Glock, I have never gotten used to the feel of the safety on the Glock trigger. I'm sure I would with more practice, but after shooting eight of them in short succession over a couple of weeks (I had gone shopping for a Glock when I ended up getting the P7 a few years ago), it still felt weird to me. That was a surprise, as I had, and still have, a respect for the mechanism similar to my respect for the squeeze-cocking mechanism of the P7. It is an elegant design solution. I do not presume to think this discomfort is a defect in the gun, merely an acclimation challenge for me.
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good grief
First off, you'll note that I did not say that I can't get used to it, I said I have not yet gotten used to it. As a mater of fact, I made it quite clear that, given time, I expect I could get used to it.
EDIT: Stricktly speaking, since I feel it, it is not unobtrusive to me. All of these perceptions are entirely subjective on all sides.
Second, I would make this comparison to address the heart of your point: you're annoyed by that little piece of sand in your shoe, but that big insole doesn't bother you a bit.
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