Guns hurt people--even kill them sometimes.
That means guns are bad. Kids who pretend to be guns now might grow up to be guns when they're adults. 
Elementary kids, classrooms and finger guns
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Guns hurt people--even kill them sometimes.
That means guns are bad. Kids who pretend to be guns now might grow up to be guns when they're adults. NVCZ
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I think it is important to let your son see that you are there to back him up. He is doing nothing wrong. It is NORMAL for kids to play guns. And chainsaw, and switchblade, and... sorry i digress.
Let him know you understand and will back him up. Take him into the principals office so he can see you tell the freakin head of the school that you will contact the ACLU if your son is disciplined over this matter.
On the other hand if you don't wish to go there with the matter, that is o.k., teach your son that sometimes you have to pick your battles.
i pulled my son out of a liberal private school because of the socialist crap he was being fed. He is now a healthy well adjusted normal junior high kid hooked on HALO (aaarrrggghhh), lol...
Could you ask your son to trade his big "gun" in for a sub compact pistol, maybe teach your kid to carry his gun "CCW" and you can help him put a "silencer" on it. From "PEW, PEW" to "thup, thup"
NVCZ
Let him know you understand and will back him up. Take him into the principals office so he can see you tell the freakin head of the school that you will contact the ACLU if your son is disciplined over this matter.
On the other hand if you don't wish to go there with the matter, that is o.k., teach your son that sometimes you have to pick your battles.
i pulled my son out of a liberal private school because of the socialist crap he was being fed. He is now a healthy well adjusted normal junior high kid hooked on HALO (aaarrrggghhh), lol...
Could you ask your son to trade his big "gun" in for a sub compact pistol, maybe teach your kid to carry his gun "CCW" and you can help him put a "silencer" on it. From "PEW, PEW" to "thup, thup"
NVCZ
Spartan2112
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Slightly off topic - but illustrative of the thinking in some institutions of higher learning which train teachers:
The year before I transferred from community college to a "prestigious" midwestern institute of higher learning - they shut down the campus indoor shooting range and converted it to office space for the phys ed department. The argument was that it was due to budgetary reasons, and the fact that our campus police were unarmed, so allegedly no one was using the range. This was around 1995.
When a group of us who wanted to form a student shooting club and go to a local range instead, the director of athletics refused our request because (and I quote) "Shooting is not a sport".
we posed the question: "What about the shooting events at the summer and winter Olympic Games?" our requests were politely ignored by the administration and we had no support from any faculty. :banghead:
The year before I transferred from community college to a "prestigious" midwestern institute of higher learning - they shut down the campus indoor shooting range and converted it to office space for the phys ed department. The argument was that it was due to budgetary reasons, and the fact that our campus police were unarmed, so allegedly no one was using the range. This was around 1995.
When a group of us who wanted to form a student shooting club and go to a local range instead, the director of athletics refused our request because (and I quote) "Shooting is not a sport".
we posed the question: "What about the shooting events at the summer and winter Olympic Games?" our requests were politely ignored by the administration and we had no support from any faculty. :banghead:
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In most places the school superintendent and the school board are elected positions. That means that you have an indirect voice in determining your schools' policies. You can run for office yourself. You can campaign for sane candidates. You can attend school board meetings and voice your concerns. I agree that most public school systems from pre-kindergarten through college are on a course that will in a generation give us a nanny state the equal of UK. But it is only because we have been brainwashed to believe that political correctness is correct.
"I think it is important to let your son see that you are there to back him up. He is doing nothing wrong. It is NORMAL for kids to play guns. And chainsaw, and switchblade, and... sorry i digress.
Let him know you understand and will back him up. Take him into the principals office so he can see you tell the freakin head of the school that you will contact the ACLU if your son is disciplined over this matter.
On the other hand if you don't wish to go there with the matter, that is o.k., teach your son that sometimes you have to pick your battles.
i pulled my son out of a liberal private school because of the socialist crap he was being fed. He is now a healthy well adjusted normal junior high kid hooked on HALO (aaarrrggghhh), lol...
Could you ask your son to trade his big "gun" in for a sub compact pistol, maybe teach your kid to carry his gun "CCW" and you can help him put a "silencer" on it. From "PEW, PEW" to "thup, thup"
NVCZ"
Great post! Yours was full of ideas which is what I was ultimately seeking. Thanks.
Let him know you understand and will back him up. Take him into the principals office so he can see you tell the freakin head of the school that you will contact the ACLU if your son is disciplined over this matter.
On the other hand if you don't wish to go there with the matter, that is o.k., teach your son that sometimes you have to pick your battles.
i pulled my son out of a liberal private school because of the socialist crap he was being fed. He is now a healthy well adjusted normal junior high kid hooked on HALO (aaarrrggghhh), lol...
Could you ask your son to trade his big "gun" in for a sub compact pistol, maybe teach your kid to carry his gun "CCW" and you can help him put a "silencer" on it. From "PEW, PEW" to "thup, thup"
NVCZ"
Great post! Yours was full of ideas which is what I was ultimately seeking. Thanks.
MagnumDweeb
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Oh I pray for the poor schmucks that have to deal with my kids and subsequently me when my kids act up. I have no sympathy for fools in public education, note only the fools as there are plenty of good teachers and such out there. Don't suppose you, your kid, and the powers that be couldn't sit in the same room and work something out like:
"Okay little Timmy, don't make a pistol with your fingers, make a peace sign, yeah this is ridiculous but we have to be sensitive to less intelligent folks so play along. Alright other than bang bang, or pew pew just say 'Che Guevera is scum' or 'Socialism is bad.' So when you want to play cops and robbers or such you can just point the peace sign at the would be robber or copper and go 'socialism is bad' or 'Che Guevera is scum' and no one with any intelligence or sensibility will have their feelings hurt."
"Okay little Timmy, don't make a pistol with your fingers, make a peace sign, yeah this is ridiculous but we have to be sensitive to less intelligent folks so play along. Alright other than bang bang, or pew pew just say 'Che Guevera is scum' or 'Socialism is bad.' So when you want to play cops and robbers or such you can just point the peace sign at the would be robber or copper and go 'socialism is bad' or 'Che Guevera is scum' and no one with any intelligence or sensibility will have their feelings hurt."
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With some of the idiots I see and hear about running our public schools I'd probably be in more trouble than my kids if they were still in school these days. Fortunately, they're both in their mid or late 20s and long out of school. One (in the AF) makes a living out of shooting guns and blowing stuff up.
For the most part I grew up in the suburbs of Houston. In the mid 70s when I was in 10th grade I got yelled at for having a gun in school. More accurately, I'd leaned the gun, an old Marlin .30-30 I'd brought to school to have my shop teacher help me repair the broken stock, against my locker. I'd turned away from the gun to talk to a buddy. Our vice principal walked up and screamed, "Whose rifle is this?", in a loud, booming voice. I admitted it was mine and he said, "Well then pay attention to it and don't leave it unattended. Someone might take it."
Shortly after that I got my license and an old beat-up pickup. That gun just rode around with me in the gun rack in the back window. No one ever complained.
Northbrook Sr High School, Houston, 1976-77. My how times have changed.
For the most part I grew up in the suburbs of Houston. In the mid 70s when I was in 10th grade I got yelled at for having a gun in school. More accurately, I'd leaned the gun, an old Marlin .30-30 I'd brought to school to have my shop teacher help me repair the broken stock, against my locker. I'd turned away from the gun to talk to a buddy. Our vice principal walked up and screamed, "Whose rifle is this?", in a loud, booming voice. I admitted it was mine and he said, "Well then pay attention to it and don't leave it unattended. Someone might take it."
Shortly after that I got my license and an old beat-up pickup. That gun just rode around with me in the gun rack in the back window. No one ever complained.
Northbrook Sr High School, Houston, 1976-77. My how times have changed.
wgaynor
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Not too long ago, (1996) I graduated from Highschool in a backwoods part of Kentucky. We had about 20 people in my graduating class. More than half of us had gunracks loaded up with rifles and shotguns... What a shame that our Country has changed so badly so quickly.
cambeul41
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Then the poor kid would really be in trouble!
berettaprofessor
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When the hammer falls for that, OP, it is the time to see it as a Divine Intervention that means get your kid out and into private or home-schooling and away from the system. I prefer not to have my kids taught by idiots and so far we've stayed with the public schools, but I think in our area, the teaching falls apart somewhere in high school. Just recently, for instance, I saw a 10th grade English reading list; for the record, I read constantly and always have, and I've read my share of classics from Dickens to Melville and although I could recognize several books from the hundred on the list, I've never read a single one that was on the list....all the worst, most dry, boring "classic" literature imaginable. When are we going to learn that it's really not important if a modern student reads Madame Bovary and more important that they read something interesting to them?
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Soon, there will be a Zero Tolerance for these "gestures".
Then any kid who comes close to resembling the trigger finger pose while
holding a pencil or grabbing a fork in the cafeteria will be expelled.
My brother's kid (16) almost got expelled because he took an Advil at
lunch in school for a headache. But they listened and used a little common sense.
Then any kid who comes close to resembling the trigger finger pose while
holding a pencil or grabbing a fork in the cafeteria will be expelled.
My brother's kid (16) almost got expelled because he took an Advil at
lunch in school for a headache. But they listened and used a little common sense.
I used to bring the ol' model 60 to school with me in elementary school. I was stored in my locker during the school day. No kids in our school would have even though about using a firearm in a violent way, it just didn't happen. BTW it wasn't that long ago, back in the early and mid 80's. OK it was a while ago.
Vikingsoftpaw
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Home School.
Ronsch
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Please, please look at my website.
NO...Nothing to buy or donate. My website has to do with historical reenacting. Check out the pictures of the classes I gave at one of the local (less PC) middle schools. I believe you will find it refreshing. In addition, both of our middle schools here have incorporated the Alaska Department of Fish and Game's Hunter Education course into the 6th Grade Outdoor Skills classes. Since I assist in teaching those classes, the principal is very supportive. I am very blessed.
Juneau prides itself on being the most liberal city in Alaska, and having lived in other parts of the State, it is true, so I am lucky to be able to do what I do. I took "The High Road" in presenting my arguments for hands-on teaching and won.
Here is the site:
http://www.freewbs.com/longwalkerexpo/
Enjoy the pictures!
NO...Nothing to buy or donate. My website has to do with historical reenacting. Check out the pictures of the classes I gave at one of the local (less PC) middle schools. I believe you will find it refreshing. In addition, both of our middle schools here have incorporated the Alaska Department of Fish and Game's Hunter Education course into the 6th Grade Outdoor Skills classes. Since I assist in teaching those classes, the principal is very supportive. I am very blessed.
Juneau prides itself on being the most liberal city in Alaska, and having lived in other parts of the State, it is true, so I am lucky to be able to do what I do. I took "The High Road" in presenting my arguments for hands-on teaching and won.
Here is the site:
http://www.freewbs.com/longwalkerexpo/
Enjoy the pictures!
CajunBass
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Back a few years ago (mid 80's) I got snookered into going on a class trip with my son and his class, maybe 5th or 6th grade. Anyway the trip was to Appomattox Court House, with a stop at the Saylers (Sailors) creek battlefield.
At Saylers Creek, a park employee, in the uniform of a Federal Cavalry trooper met us. As he started his presentation, he held up his carbine and asked "Does anybody know what this is?" The entire class, including the teacher, turned to my son and yelled "TELL HIM BARRY!"
My son, looking at his toes and kicking the dirt in his best "Aw shucks" look, replied "That's a 54 caliber Sharps breach loading cavalry carbine."
The trooper was impressed.
It is really sad (and stupid) how far things have gone now.
At Saylers Creek, a park employee, in the uniform of a Federal Cavalry trooper met us. As he started his presentation, he held up his carbine and asked "Does anybody know what this is?" The entire class, including the teacher, turned to my son and yelled "TELL HIM BARRY!"
My son, looking at his toes and kicking the dirt in his best "Aw shucks" look, replied "That's a 54 caliber Sharps breach loading cavalry carbine."
The trooper was impressed.
It is really sad (and stupid) how far things have gone now.
can someone help me? Was I misquoted or misrepresented?
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Just spoke with my lady-friend. It's a big no-no in school. But at kinder level, thankfully she is pro-gun (obviously) and knows its just kids playing. She just reminds them that we only play 'guns' at home, not school. And that's the end of it. She said some of them try to make LEGO's guns. ... do they make black LEGO's??? I'd love to see a kid whip up an AR-15.
She thinks its absolutely ridiculous, but she commented that after Columbine and other shootings, the schools have gone completely overboard on the subject. I believe a couple years ago a middle/high school student was arrested and suspended after a finger-hand gun incident. Trying to charge him as an attempted terrorist/active shooter.
Don't remember details or outcome.
I think its funny that a finger-hand gun could end you up in the principals office, but the kid who wigs out and literally throws chairs and up-turns tables with 24 other 5 year olds playing has to stay in the classroom and only gets sent home only with a frowny-face sticker on his shirt.
OneOunceLoad said:
Just spoke with my lady-friend. It's a big no-no in school. But at kinder level, thankfully she is pro-gun (obviously) and knows its just kids playing. She just reminds them that we only play 'guns' at home, not school. And that's the end of it. She said some of them try to make LEGO's guns. ... do they make black LEGO's??? I'd love to see a kid whip up an AR-15.
She thinks its absolutely ridiculous, but she commented that after Columbine and other shootings, the schools have gone completely overboard on the subject. I believe a couple years ago a middle/high school student was arrested and suspended after a finger-hand gun incident. Trying to charge him as an attempted terrorist/active shooter.
Don't remember details or outcome.
I think its funny that a finger-hand gun could end you up in the principals office, but the kid who wigs out and literally throws chairs and up-turns tables with 24 other 5 year olds playing has to stay in the classroom and only gets sent home only with a frowny-face sticker on his shirt.
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DC300a
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I was in high school from 1997-2001 and we used to hunt before and after school and would leave our guns in our truck in the school parking lot. Hell we even carried pocket knives for Ag Class.....
I have been told that that has since changed since the administration has changed....
I have been told that that has since changed since the administration has changed....
THE DARK KNIGHT
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Interesting enough, everything the media has fed us in the wake of Columbine, everything we "knew" about the incident, and all the changes that came about in its wake because of it, were all based on a made up story.
I forget which newspaper it was, I know there were several, that openly stated a few years ago at the tenth university that the policies put in place have not made schools safer, and that original story of Columbine was highly fictitious. Big Media literally admitted this. For example, they didn't listen to crap like Marilyn Manson, they weren't bullied - in fact they were closer to bullies themselves, the list goes on and on.
And until we have a discussion about this, the rules will only get more and more stupid.
He's a good one, back in 04-05, Junior year of high school, I was suspended for 10 days. I had to see a school-approved goon board of guidance counselors to interview me and say I was OK to go back to school. And once I week I had to visit some burnout (literally ex pot smoker) guidance counselor to check up on me. Why? A teacher saw me picking my fingernails. Yes, that's right, a teacher saw me picking my fingernails with a little coffee stirrer to clean them and went and reported me for "Masochistic Behaviour"
/facepalm
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oh yeah in my school in the kindergarten department i sometimes work with the kids and they make guns out of legos all the time and its fine, they just discourage "shooting" them at other kids. My school is a private school, I love it. they also plan on making a shooting range at the school on school property instead of going to a nearby range, major waldrons.
and when i was younger i use to make lego guns all the time, i think thats where i got my interest. only the colors on them were not cordinated and were many colored.
and when i was younger i use to make lego guns all the time, i think thats where i got my interest. only the colors on them were not cordinated and were many colored.
THE DARK KNIGHT
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No, you just making digital LEGO camo to blend in with the box of spare LEGO's
oneounceload
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Having had those types of kids in my classroom, they were given preferential treatment because they had "issues"...:banghead:
Instead of removing the problem so the rest could learn, these kids are assigned an aide who spend 45 minutes with them.....(it doesn't work)
Gryffydd
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Both the high schools in my area have rifle teams... And this is Washington even.
Erik M
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I recall a story of a small child that was expelled for bringing the hobo knife he made in cub scouts to school. i think it was posted on here.
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are you kidding? they stopped a mass stabbing!!!!!!!!1
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