Emailed Remington about accuracy issues, let’s see what they say..

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Bayourambler said:
Yes, I wont sell it, it being a 700 I know that it can become a good gun in the correct hands. I already have the action, h-s precision stock, and good mounts. Maybe put a jewel trigger, and a good barrel....
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Since you are already thinking about a new trigger, look at the Timney Calvin Elite. Pull the firing pin assy out of the bolt and look at the spring.

Look here and figure if you might want to replace it.

http://www.davidtubb.com/speedlock-assembly-700-long
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...embly-remington-700-non-iss-long-action-gloss
http://www.pierceengineeringltd.com/category/accessories/product/pierceision-firing-pin-assembly

Incremental steps....

Just curious though, did you do a shoot and clean barrel break in?
 
Do your groups exhibit any pattern tendencies, or are they all random? For instance, vertical groups may indicate ignition issues, while diagonal groups are often due to barrel touching (or very close to it) on one side of the barrel channel. They will bounce off that side and string to the opposite side. Horizontal groups are unusual on Remingtons, since round actions are self-centering, but if the recoil plate is bearing on the bottom, it can occur.

If you haven't examined the crown, or slugged the barrel to determine whether there's a slight bulge near the muzzle, try it. Recrowning may help, but I wouldn't try that before sending it in for repairs.
 
Yes, I wont sell it, it being a 700 I know that it can become a good gun in the correct hands
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Unfortunately, this is the same logic that saw me throwing good money after bad on a Ruger 77 Hawkeye. Because I knew one man at my range who was lucky enough to get a shooter.

I wish you the best, but I've been down this road before. Best decision I ever made was to sell it and replace it with a Tikka. I've never missed that Ruger.
 
Picher said:
Do your groups exhibit any pattern tendencies, or are they all random? For instance, vertical groups may indicate ignition issues, while diagonal groups are often due to barrel touching (or very close to it) on one side of the barrel channel. They will bounce off that side and string to the opposite side. Horizontal groups are unusual on Remingtons, since round actions are self-centering, but if the recoil plate is bearing on the bottom, it can occur.

If you haven't examined the crown, or slugged the barrel to determine whether there's a slight bulge near the muzzle, try it. Recrowning may help, but I wouldn't try that before sending it in for repairs.
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It usually shoots pretty rounded groups but I have had a few double grouping issues. Sometimes it will shoot 2 in the same hole , and 1.5 over 3 touching. The best group it has ever shot was when I made a mistake and loaded 5 grains over max while testing reloader 22. The 5 shot group was .5". It was too hot though , it registered almost 3000 fps with a 212 grain bullet! The barrel does not touch i sanded it a bit and I've checked it what seems to be a couple thousand times! Lol
 
Bayourambler said:
Meaning it’s out of whack, not set correctly?
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I don't know this from personal experience, but I have read enough about it to know that you can't really pin the blame on the rifle until you have ruled the scope out as a possible source of the problem. I am about to pull a scope off one that's misbehaving and try a different scope. It'll be a PITA, but switch out your scope before you go down an expensive path that you may not have to. I don't know where you are located in LA, but I will happily loan you some Rem 700 2 piece bases and rings for a 1" scope if we can conveniently make the hand-off.
 
Bayourambler said:
Meaning it’s out of whack, not set correctly?
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Hard to say not knowing the features of your scope. Does it have a fixed parallax or is it adjustable to the range of your target? It could be your technique in keeping your head and eye alignment in a consistent and repeatable position from shot to shot or you haven't dialed out all of the parallax with your scope adjustment
 
Always start with basics. An awful lot of accuracy issues I have seen were actually scope and mount issues, especially when it was random like you are experiencing. Swap out the scope and mount before making drastic changes to the rifle itself.
 
Bayourambler said:
Yes, I wont sell it, it being a 700 I know that it can become a good gun in the correct hands. I already have the action, h-s precision stock, and good mounts. Maybe put a jewel trigger, and a good barrel....
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If you are flush, send it to someone like G&A Precision Rifle, in North Kansas City, Mo, have receiver trued, chamber re cut and barrel setback. ( or install new match barrel or your choice).

Your gun will be top notch shooter.

Russellc
 
Is that a Custom Sendero or just the Sendero model? Big difference when you compare the two. Look at what they do to the Custom Sendero to get that .5" accuracy gaurentee at 100 yards.

I would suggest tearing that rifle down and examine the barrel chamber, rifling and crown carefully. If all checks out ok, then bed the action properly, free float the barrel, torque the action screws properly, ensure your scope is installed and torqued properly and install a Timney Trigger. After this is done, test fire it. Should cost you only for the Timney Trigger and some elbow grease... about $95 for the trigger and a few dollars for bedding compound and sand paper.

Standard Remington stocks and triggers are generally crap and won't shoot to the potential of the action.
 
A lot of ideas here for sure! Thanks a lot guys , I’m awaiting a response from Remington , but know it will most likely lead to nothing. I’m making a few phone calls to gun shops and trying to figure out what I’ll have to do. Putting a ready Criterion Remage barrel sounds like a good try but I feel jinxed with this and don’t want to take any more chances. I know nothing about changing a barrel. I had given a bunch of thought of a custom rifle before I bought this rifle and was pretty much talked into buying a sendero and I would be happy and save money. Well I ordered it saying if it doesn’t do what I want I will have it worked on. I guess as luck would have it I’m on that road! This being my first year of really target shooting (I’ve been hunting my whole life but never shot much for fun) I’ve learned a lot. I’m not going to do anything now because hunting season is here and I want to use it. I may ask Santa for a new trigger for now but that’s about it for now. Right now I’m looking for gunsmiths in Louisiana to chat with. I’m not having much luck, any info would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
I did get an email back from hart barrels, looks like they can get it all done, just looking at about 8 months!
 
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Have you looked into the possible scope issues? A new barrel and trigger won't fix that. If you're a hunter and not a target shooter are you sure you can shoot to the level you're trying to achieve? Case in point, i was at the range one day, two guys shooting a new rifle complaining about accuracy, they were shooting 3-4" groups. Walked down and in talking to them they said "here, you try it". Shot a 3 shot group just over an inch.
 
Have you looked into the possible scope issues? A new barrel and trigger won't fix that. If you're a hunter and not a target shooter are you sure you can shoot to the level you're trying to achieve? Case in point, i was at the range one day, two guys shooting a new rifle complaining about accuracy, they were shooting 3-4" groups. Walked down and in talking to them they said "here, you try it". Shot a 3 shot group just over an inch.
 
<------- My avatar photo is another one of Remington nightmares. .300 RUM Long Range. Had it blueprinted, and to refer to the quality of the metal work as being loose is generous.

So the metal work is being redone, a new barrel, the chamber being cut with a new reamer, and the new oversize recoil lug, will be bedded, along with a skim bedding of the aluminum bedding block.

The modern Remington's are good project rifle starting point, but that is about all.

Just for the record the rifle I base my judgment's on is a Remington 700 VLD (basically the predecessor to the current Long Range) in .308 that I bought used, with who knows how many rounds down the tube, and has been ran hard, and hot by me. Hell the throat on this thing seems to be about six inch long, and easily stay's under an inch.

Good luck in dealing with the clowns at Remington, keep us updated with the custom work you will be having done.
 
<------- My avatar photo is another one of Remington nightmares. .300 RUM Long Range. Had it blueprinted, and to refer to the quality of the metal work as being loose is generous.

So the metal work is being redone, a new barrel, the chamber being cut with a new reamer, and the new oversize recoil lug, will be bedded, along with a skim bedding of the aluminum bedding block.

The modern Remington's are good project rifle starting point, but that is about all.

Just for the record the rifle I base my judgment's on is a Remington 700 VLD (basically the predecessor to the current Long Range) in .308 that I bought used, with who knows how many rounds down the tube, and has been ran hard, and hot by me. Hell the throat on this thing seems to be about six inch long, and easily stay's under an inch.

Good luck in dealing with the clowns at Remington, keep us updated with the custom work you will be having done.
 
None of this presents a very glowing review of the big green R.

Having said that, I've only owned two Remington bolt actions - a Model 7 and a stainless 700 SPS. The 7 was a dud. Couldn't get it to shoot worth a flip no matter what I did. The 700 I bought new, chopped 2" off the barrel and recrowned, and it shot lights out. Maybe one of the most accurate rifles I've ever owned. But the cheap and poor fitting stock and sticky bolt did not appeal to me. It became surplus to my needs so I eventually sold it for more than I paid for it new, because some people cannot get it out of their head that the 700 is "the" rifle to have.
 
ford8nr said:
Have you looked into the possible scope issues? A new barrel and trigger won't fix that. If you're a hunter and not a target shooter are you sure you can shoot to the level you're trying to achieve? Case in point, i was at the range one day, two guys shooting a new rifle complaining about accuracy, they were shooting 3-4" groups. Walked down and in talking to them they said "here, you try it". Shot a 3 shot group just over an inch.
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I have a 308 that I shoot a half inch. I've reloaded and shot many rifles to shoot very well. I just made rounds and shot my buddies 300 wby that shoots under an inch. Im no world class shooter for sure but I'm not nearly those guys you are talking about either.
 
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