Ever feel like you’re never gunna own that hunting land you want?

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Patocazador said:
Two years ago I bought 150 acres about 200 miles from home mainly as a hunting piece. However, it was clear-cut but had been replanted in pines. It was about $1700/acre which is dirt cheap (pun intended) for Florida. Because it is a tree farm, it qualifies for an ag exemption. I brought my tractor and mower there and was amazed at how many species showed up on the cameras I put out. Mature forest does not provide much for sustaining a good deer herd or much else but a clear-cut is a bonanza for food plants for many animals. That seems to be the case but after about 4 years, the trees start to shade out the weeds, grass, and other small plants. Thinning the trees at 5-7 years helps a lot.

Basically, it is a future income producer and a great hunting piece IF one keeps the trees from crowding out all the successional plants. I don't see how a young person can go wrong buying a large acreage piece and putting it in trees.
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We pay higher taxes in NY if we have valuable timber. What restrictions do you have for your forestry exemption?
 
We have a local sales tax, , but thankfully no state or property tax's, so far.

We still have to pay on fed tax's and in our citys, a few municipality's have property tax's, but thats far and few....
 
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LoonWulf said:
Nope, undeveloped land out here goes for 20-40k an acre. Unless I win the (none existent) lottery I'll be lucky to buy the house we live in a some point.
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Ouch, we paid less than 1k per acer for the small piece of middle TN my brother and I are working as a hunting property. I have been bless to always have family property available to hunt on. If we took all the cost of the venison in my freezer into account I could likely buy Kobe Beef cheaper. But its hard to put a price on time spent with the family.
 
mcb said:
Ouch, we paid less than 1k per acer for the small piece of middle TN my brother and I are working as a hunting property. I have been bless to always have family property available to hunt on. If we took all the cost of the venison in my freezer into account I could likely buy Kobe Beef cheaper. But its hard to put a price on time spent with the family.
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Yep, I don't hunt because it's cheap (tho I used to) lol.
I'd love to have a chunk of land that was "mine" to hunt, but cost is prohibitive (and I probably am off on the low end of pricing by as much as 10k, I'm just going by what's available around where I live).
I've got plenty of places to access as well so it's not critical for me.
 
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Patocazador said:
Two years ago I bought 150 acres about 200 miles from home mainly as a hunting piece. However, it was clear-cut but had been replanted in pines. It was about $1700/acre which is dirt cheap (pun intended) for Florida. Because it is a tree farm, it qualifies for an ag exemption. I brought my tractor and mower there and was amazed at how many species showed up on the cameras I put out. Mature forest does not provide much for sustaining a good deer herd or much else but a clear-cut is a bonanza for food plants for many animals. That seems to be the case but after about 4 years, the trees start to shade out the weeds, grass, and other small plants. Thinning the trees at 5-7 years helps a lot.

Basically, it is a future income producer and a great hunting piece IF one keeps the trees from crowding out all the successional plants. I don't see how a young person can go wrong buying a large acreage piece and putting it in trees.
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I see way too many timber plots that comprise a dead forest with no wildlife and no means of support for exactly the reason you stated -the trees block out the light for anything else. Another issue since Michael is the infestation of trees with various beetles and diseases killing off the good timber that survived. Where I am, Tall Timbers research is active with the quail plantations to increase wildlife and land preservation. Too often, I see land that was once cheap being inherited by kids who have zero interest in working the land and then along comes a developer who outs enough zeros on the check to make them sell.
 
My grandpa bought 100 acres un alabama. We lived in ATL. It was a 4 hour drive. But still he had 100 acre's. Got it for dirt cheap. Sadly he sold it to family. They in turn sold the lumber off. Then resold it.
 
WestKentucky said:
Hmmm not specific as to what game or location so I’m going sideways here. Where is the cheapest land per acre in the continental US? Once that is found, what is available to hunt there? If we have an arbitrary $100,000 to buy land, it might buy me 25 acres in TN or KY where I grew up and know the values. That’s woods with deer and turkey. Tn has possibility for bear and hogs, but likely not at that price point. Probably more like 15 acres in the areas I know of that have hogs and bear. It’s huntable, but it’s not big. Out west...? Perhaps a bigger chunk but what is there to hunt in cheap desert? Anybody got a handle on property values around $1000 per acre or less?
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I laid $12,500 for almost 9 acres. Prime for hunting. Land all round is part of a nature trust and can not be built on. Does that count?
 
My point was the magnitude of taxes.
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I understood, before posting #19, quoting where you mentioned it first, thus my response on how to mitigate them substantially. By substantial, for example, in Travis county (Austin) you might pay taxes on a value of $40,000/acre, with ag exemption you will pay taxes on $2,000/acre. Move away from the cities and even without ag exemption taxes are lower and with it they are a few dollars an acre.

Now as far as exemptions go, it is kind of BS that farmers get lower taxes but if you try to grow timber you pay more (in NY at least).
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I guess I can add that to the list of reasons why I am not going to move to NY. If you notice my card is agriculture or timber. Looks like FL does too per #24.

I don’t see where I was complaining about people getting out of paying taxes.... Now as far as exemptions go, it is kind of BS that farmers get lower taxes...
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That speaks for itself.

One thing is for sure, if you want to talk yourself out of being a land owner there are plenty of reasons.

We have a mix of land that can’t be walked through and wide open fields, I think the best hunting is on the edge of the two or travel routes between them.
 
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I don't carry many regrets, but I do regret not buying land when it was available and affordable. I could have bought a very nice 80 acres with a livable house in Kansas for $15,000. Obviously that was a long tiome ago, but at the time it was approximately equal to my annual salary. The land was in Osage County Kansas which was some of the best quail hunting in the country and near great squirrel woods. I could have afforded the required $1000 down payment and financed the rest on a 10 year note.
So...young people....DO NOT wait too long like I did. I'm 74 now and have a great life, but there is a hollow spot in my soul because I never owned land.
 
jmorris said:
I understood, before posting #19, quoting where you mentioned it first, thus my response on how to mitigate them substantially. By substantial, for example, in Travis county (Austin) you might pay taxes on a value of $40,000/acre, with ag exemption you will pay taxes on $2,000/acre. Move away from the cities and even without ag exemption taxes are lower and with it they are a few dollars an acre.



I guess I can add that to the list of reasons why I am not going to move to NY. If you notice my card is agriculture or timber. Looks like FL does too per #24.



That speaks for itself.

One thing is for sure, if you want to talk yourself out of being a land owner there are plenty of reasons.

We have a mix of land that can’t be walked through and wide open fields, I think the best hunting is on the edge of the two or travel routes between them.
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You cut my sentence short, so which of the following is true? You are liar trying to make others believe I meant something I clearly didn’t? Or did you fail to learn basic reading comprehension as a child. It is BS that farmers get lower taxes to grow crops that will be harvested in months while landowners trying to grow timber that requires decades to mature not only don’t get a tax break, we actually pay more in taxes. Cut the sentence short again and we will all know you are a dishonorable liar.
 
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earlthegoat2 said:
@jmorris is hitting on some important points of owning land.

The land can work for you passively if you do it right. It may not make you money (but it can) but it can also save you some money for owning it.

Do some homework and you may find land is more affordable than you thought.
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Lottaguys I’m my area lease half or more to farmers and that helps with the taxes idk if it’sa full exemption though knowing my state.
 
About 30 years ago I bought a 3+ acres on a stream,, wooded, to build a house..Cleared it, but didn’t start to built yet. One Sunday I ran into the realtor that had sold my previous house, and this lot..Said he had one ten acre piece real close to mine, technically it was landlocked which is illegal in Michigan so I worked out easement with adjacent property owns,,,put in a drive, keep it maintained and plowed. build a house.
Now here is the best part,, to my west, is 150 acres wooded, some open land for crops, and they allow me to hunt from my side,,, not open for anybody else,,,to my north a guy has a nice semi underground house on 80 acres. At first he was fanatic about no trespassing, but we become friends and often hunt together. He has a farm permit so he can take deer anytime he wants, and believe me crop fed deer taken in August tastes like the best beef. And to my east, across the stream which runs through my property is 840 acres, in a forestry trust.
So that’s a thousand acres I have access too, and you won’t believe the wildlife,,,,,deer, coyotes, fox,,, those two play off each other’s cycle,,,wolves,,, saw a mom a bear and a cub once. Neighbor has picture of a cougar walking across my property,

No feral hogs yet, but we keep an eye out for them,,,,they are within 100 miles.
Sure I’m bragging, but it took me probably 20 years to work this out.
 
My best option at this point is a VA home loan on a house with property in an area with “low”property tax and a job that pays enough to cover the taxes and other expenses.
 
wombat13 said:
You cut my sentence short, so which of the following is true? You are liar trying to make others believe I meant something I clearly didn’t? Or did you fail to learn basic reading comprehension as a child. It is BS that farmers get lower taxes to grow crops that will be harvested in months while landowners trying to grow timber that requires decades to mature not only don’t get a tax break, we actually pay more in taxes. Cut the sentence short again and we will all know you are a dishonorable liar.
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Included the entire post just so “we” all know I am not a “dishonorable liar”. Nothing I quoted was something you didn’t write.

I try not to lie at all, much less dishonorably, then again, is there another way to lie? I also pointed out that the exemption, in my State, counts for not only agricultural but timber land as well. The statues don’t even say how old the trees have to be.

In any case since you called me a liar, post your sentence, complete, that you think I am misinformed, or outright lied about.

Are you for farmers receiving exemptions allowed to them as written in law or do you think it’s “BS” for them to get them? If they could receive them but didn’t include them in their taxes, what name would you call them?
 
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I own hundreds of acres of farmland. About thirty of timber.
Zero (0) real estate exemptions.(Illinois)
Real estate taxes go up every year around here.

That said....
It has been an excellent investment.
Don't think that buying a piece of land means that you will have it to yourself. I can about assure you there is someone on my property at this moment.
People trespassing, fishing, hunting, roaming, snooping, riding atvs.....even camping.

Timber is a crop, and a good price now. It can help pay for property.

Big timber with no underbrush isn't great deer habitat. It's pretty, but won't hold deer like undergrowth..
 
Just like our guns, property we “own”, we are simply caretakers and not really owners. Unless of course you are someone like Ted Turner, then you truly own it, as long as the USA exists.

At one point I wondered how or why he would pay taxes on a couple million acres for some buffalo that he sells in his restaurants. So I went down the rabbit hole. It turns out he doesn’t pay taxes on his land. I didn’t get that deal. Did you?
 
@daniel craig

I think the best thing for you to do, especially for the long term, is leave NY.

I understand it might not be that simple but to gain buying opportunities to land that more affordable and not get taxed into the ground, the state of NY is not your friend.

Achieving life goals is hard work. It takes sacrifice and maybe even doing things you later on will not be proud of. If it’s not worth working for then it is not worth having.
 
Cypress said:
That statement about millenials is pretty spot on in my book. I often give confused looks at my co workers who ask to come rape my land while they drive $50k trucks and laugh at my Ford Ranger pushing 350,000 miles. I don’t know if I should pity them or just continue hating them for being so ridiculously stupid. There is no free lunch. You have to decide what is important in life. Hell...I actually take pride in making that truck last to 350k. I guess I should have been born 100 years ago!
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^^^^

Good for you Sir.

I have 320K on my Land Cruiser. And I own my own Land.

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I did it , but it took me 35 years and paying off my house and retiring . I saved my money for those working years and bought the land and then sold my house and built the same house on my land . I can’t see another house from mine . My mailbox is 2 1/2 miles away at the end of a gravel road that I live off of . I can just walk out the door to hunt . I put the land in a trust for my son and all my nephews and niece . All have to want to sell it for it to be sold and all have to share in the taxes but my son . He will never use it and if I left it to him he would sell it . I am going to leave the house and 10 acres to my son for inheritance money .
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I inherited a couple hundred acres. Bought some that bordered mine a few times too. BUT....I also spent my childhood working on it too. Raising pole beans. Raising tobacco. Rolling pine roping. Putting up hay. Etc. Pretty much only got to be a kid in December and January.

Most states do have tax exemptions for farm. Make it cheaper at least.
 
earlthegoat2 said:
@daniel craig

I think the best thing for you to do, especially for the long term, is leave NY.

I understand it might not be that simple but to gain buying opportunities to land that more affordable and not get taxed into the ground, the state of NY is not your friend.

Achieving life goals is hard work. It takes sacrifice and maybe even doing things you later on will not be proud of. If it’s not worth working for then it is not worth having.
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Right now NY has some attractive things keeping me here though so I haven’t decided if it’s worth moving.
 
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