jahwarrior
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the only gun i ever worry about is the one stolen from my van a few months back. the police here don't seem to concerned with finding it, which is even more troubling.
Ever worry about where guns you sold/traded off are now?
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bwsmith2850
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Well, I wouldn't worry too much. You sold them to a FFL dealer. They were listed in their inventory. If they were stolen from the store, they're reported by the current owner. If they were sold there is a newer transfer form than yours so if they show up somewhere hard to explain they'll go to whoever the store sold them to for answers. If they think there's something hinky with the store, let's say.... falsifying who they bought guns from, you may get a visit to confirm that they really did buy from you.
If it does worry you, just make sure that you file the paperwork that comes with any new guns, note when & where you sell them and relax.
I keep all the receipts along with pix of the guns in a fire file box partially because I knew someone who did sell a gun (privately) who was contacted about it. More importantly I keep that info for insurance in case of theft, flood, or fire.
If it does worry you, just make sure that you file the paperwork that comes with any new guns, note when & where you sell them and relax.
I keep all the receipts along with pix of the guns in a fire file box partially because I knew someone who did sell a gun (privately) who was contacted about it. More importantly I keep that info for insurance in case of theft, flood, or fire.
philobeddoe
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Some fella who sold me a really nice gun about three or so years back contacted me last week. He sent me a message via facebook.
I recognized his name right away, and my first thought was ... well, he just realized that gun he sold me was worth about five times what he charged me, I'll bet he wants to buy it back for double.
Well, since I don't plan on ever selling it, I wanted to ignore his message, as the next two alternatives were a) unlikely, and b) very unappealing
Alternative a) was that he'd come upon another and wanted to give me first crack at it ... like I said, unlikely
And alternative b) there was trouble brewing
Well, I should probably get to the bottom of this before I get a knock on my door.
So, I replied to his message "what can I do for you?"
He asked if I remembered the transaction ... yes, I do.
He asked if I knew the serial number of the firearm ... yes, I do.
He asked if I'd send him the serial number ... nope.
Instead, why don't you send me the serial number of the one you're looking for. He did. Not a match. Sorry can't help you.
Well, when I called into my office, I learned that the fella had called.
Obviously trouble was a brewing.
So I called him back.
What more can I do for you?
Same question about the serial number to which I reply "I did not buy that gun from you." Furthermore, that's not a gun I would ever buy. I'm not interested in a gun with that serial number. Good luck, and feel free to call if you come upon a gun like the one you sold me. He agrees.
Then, I ask, and I know I shouldn't, why he's calling me.
Well ... the ATF stopped by his place, wanted to see his records, and he didn't keep very good records it seems. So he's parsing his emails for anyone he made a sale to. Turns out, he tells me, the ATF is looking for a gun with the serial number XYZ, so he's contacting all the folks he's sold to over the last five years looking for the gun.
Which gets me laughing and I tell him, hey genius, if they have the serial number, THEY have the gun. He babbles something about the gun being used in a Las Vegas homicide, but at this point I can no longer take him at his word, because he's not striking me as too bright.
So again I say something like ... so you think the witnesses pulled the serial number off the frame and called it in to ATF? THEY've already got the gun. What the heck are you calling me for?
Now I'm thinking, this guy is a real wizard, and I should be put out to pasture for answering his questions. If I was the Feds, I'd be tapping his phone.
So, and I mean it, I tell him I'm happy to help in any way, if the ATF have any questions, they should feel free to call, and if you still have an FFL after this episode, call me only if you get a piece like the one you sold me previously, but not like the one the ATF is "looking for" now ... good luck.
What's my point?
Well, someone somewhere sometime sold a gun to someone who killed someone ... happens all the time, legitimate sales, straw sales, sales of stolen guns. Guns don't grow on trees.
But, someone sold someone the whisky, wine or beer they drank that got 'em drunk enough to run down someone's kid, or someone's momma, poppa, brother or sister, and someone sold 'em the car too.
Fact, someone sold somebody a chicken and some poor sonofabitch choked out on a bone.
Stuff happens. Guns ain't special in that regard. But you don't have a Constitutional Right to a chicken either.
I recognized his name right away, and my first thought was ... well, he just realized that gun he sold me was worth about five times what he charged me, I'll bet he wants to buy it back for double.
Well, since I don't plan on ever selling it, I wanted to ignore his message, as the next two alternatives were a) unlikely, and b) very unappealing
Alternative a) was that he'd come upon another and wanted to give me first crack at it ... like I said, unlikely
And alternative b) there was trouble brewing
Well, I should probably get to the bottom of this before I get a knock on my door.
So, I replied to his message "what can I do for you?"
He asked if I remembered the transaction ... yes, I do.
He asked if I knew the serial number of the firearm ... yes, I do.
He asked if I'd send him the serial number ... nope.
Instead, why don't you send me the serial number of the one you're looking for. He did. Not a match. Sorry can't help you.
Well, when I called into my office, I learned that the fella had called.
Obviously trouble was a brewing.
So I called him back.
What more can I do for you?
Same question about the serial number to which I reply "I did not buy that gun from you." Furthermore, that's not a gun I would ever buy. I'm not interested in a gun with that serial number. Good luck, and feel free to call if you come upon a gun like the one you sold me. He agrees.
Then, I ask, and I know I shouldn't, why he's calling me.
Well ... the ATF stopped by his place, wanted to see his records, and he didn't keep very good records it seems. So he's parsing his emails for anyone he made a sale to. Turns out, he tells me, the ATF is looking for a gun with the serial number XYZ, so he's contacting all the folks he's sold to over the last five years looking for the gun.
Which gets me laughing and I tell him, hey genius, if they have the serial number, THEY have the gun. He babbles something about the gun being used in a Las Vegas homicide, but at this point I can no longer take him at his word, because he's not striking me as too bright.
So again I say something like ... so you think the witnesses pulled the serial number off the frame and called it in to ATF? THEY've already got the gun. What the heck are you calling me for?
Now I'm thinking, this guy is a real wizard, and I should be put out to pasture for answering his questions. If I was the Feds, I'd be tapping his phone.
So, and I mean it, I tell him I'm happy to help in any way, if the ATF have any questions, they should feel free to call, and if you still have an FFL after this episode, call me only if you get a piece like the one you sold me previously, but not like the one the ATF is "looking for" now ... good luck.
What's my point?
Well, someone somewhere sometime sold a gun to someone who killed someone ... happens all the time, legitimate sales, straw sales, sales of stolen guns. Guns don't grow on trees.
But, someone sold someone the whisky, wine or beer they drank that got 'em drunk enough to run down someone's kid, or someone's momma, poppa, brother or sister, and someone sold 'em the car too.
Fact, someone sold somebody a chicken and some poor sonofabitch choked out on a bone.
Stuff happens. Guns ain't special in that regard. But you don't have a Constitutional Right to a chicken either.
To those who are in effect saying, no harm, no foul, I submit that there could be circumstances where a private firearm sale could bite you in the a$$. Let's assume that the gun in question was used in a murder within a reasonable distance from you, found at the scene, traced back to you and you can't account for the sale or your whereabouts.... Then, after hopefully proving you weren't the perpetrator, you're all the poorer for the legal fees. Something to worry about, or lose sleep over? No, but it can happen.
I just hope that the guns I've sold over the years are in a good, caring home.
I just hope that the guns I've sold over the years are in a good, caring home.
divemedic
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Maybe if you are a guest star on CSI: Miami. In the real world, there is more to establishing a criminal case than the suspect just being a previous owner of a firearm. You don't need to prove that you were not at the crime scene: they need to prove that you were there. They need to prove that you did it.
Find a case where this has happened, where a person who used to own a gun, had no connection to the murder victim, and was charged with the killing. Otherwise, that is pure tinfoil hattery.
CHEVELLE427
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no
nor do i wonder were all my X wifes are either.
if you ask or listen to the person buying a weapon sometimes you can pick up an idea if you want to go through with the sell or not.
long story short,
had a guy wanting to by an SKS face to face here in FL , legal to do so as long as he is of age and FL resident and i don't know of any reason not to sell it to him.
well after he got the B.O.S HE ASK FOR (in his hand writing) he stated he wanted a hand gun but could not because he was on parole,
i handed him his $$$ back he got anal on the reason i did so and stated
DO WE NEED TO GET THE LAW INVOLVED
i said i guess we do
HE GOT 8 MONTHS FOR TRYING TO BUY A WEAPON AND WAS A FELON
best to ask ?????? even if your state does not require you to do so C.Y.A
nor do i wonder were all my X wifes are either.
if you ask or listen to the person buying a weapon sometimes you can pick up an idea if you want to go through with the sell or not.
long story short,
had a guy wanting to by an SKS face to face here in FL , legal to do so as long as he is of age and FL resident and i don't know of any reason not to sell it to him.
well after he got the B.O.S HE ASK FOR (in his hand writing) he stated he wanted a hand gun but could not because he was on parole,
i handed him his $$$ back he got anal on the reason i did so
and stated DO WE NEED TO GET THE LAW INVOLVED
i said i guess we do
HE GOT 8 MONTHS FOR TRYING TO BUY A WEAPON AND WAS A FELON
best to ask ?????? even if your state does not require you to do so C.Y.A
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Hollowdweller
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I've never traded any but I thought I had lost one once and was super paranoid that if some bad guy had found it and then I went back to me I'd be a suspect.
Luckily I found it about 3 mo later in a seldom used pocket of my backpack:banghead:
Luckily I found it about 3 mo later in a seldom used pocket of my backpack:banghead:
No joke guys it happened, to make along story short a roudy neighbor I knew had his gun seized by police for shooting at neighbors dogs. 6 years later an ATF agent calls me at my work and asked me if I remeber the incident and the gun, apparently the "seized" gun got into someones hands and ended up in a convicted felons hands at a drug raid. They tracked me and my neighbor down, me because I witnessed the seizure, talk about leg work. Kinda scared me, I think about all the guns I've bought at the gun shop and then traded on the street and wonder how many more calls I'm liable to get. Lessoned learned keep some sort of record of your transaction so if you do get a call you can pass the buck so to say to the person you traded to.
huntsman
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No I've made some deals at gunshows gunshops and the parking lot of a fast food place.
What I regret was that I sold guns period, I should have kept them all and took a second job to advance my collection.
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