Ex cop/currently works in morgue

[lloveless]

Well in warfare the object isn't always to kill. If you injure a soldier you have reduced the foe by 3. If you kill a soldier the foe is down by only 1. So the object in war is to play the game, both physically and psychologically.
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[Ben86]

Well in warfare the object isn't always to kill. If you injure a soldier you have reduced the foe by 3.

Keep in mind this only works on enemies that value human life and don't seek to be martyrs, such as the current batch of terrorists we are fighting in the middle east. You won't see them drag away their wounded to safety in the heat of a firefight.

 

[mgmorden]

Well in warfare the object isn't always to kill. If you injure a soldier you have reduced the foe by 3. If you kill a soldier the foe is down by only 1.

That's an oft repeated myth. As stated, it assumes a value for life, but it also negates that soldiers on the field aren't going to drop everything to tote out wounded. Wounded will be cared for as the ability to do so dictates (ie, either dedicated medics/personnel who aren't fighting anyways will be doing that job, or there is a lull in the fighting where the men can be spared without regard to the outcome of the battle).

 

[exavid]

Amazing that anyone got killed in the civil war with those 36 caliber black powder revolvers.

 

[Shadow 7D]

yeah,
were is the dead horse smiley already...

 

[Autolycus]

I am fine with my 9mm Glocks. I feel safe with the 9mm as it is a good service round. The NYPD and Chicago PD have had good results with them.

 

[ccsniper]

this thread is so far off topic it isn't even funny

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I am trying to locate a news story of a man shot 22 times with a .40 with 17 of them hitting center of mass and it took the guy several MINUTES to die after the last round was fired. Anyone able to help?

EDIT TO ADD: During the time he was shot he was still able to severely wound the officer shooting him.

That would be the Peter Soulis incident, Soulis being the officer involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1h9PYRZKMc
http://m.lawofficer.com/article/training/officer-down-peter-soulis-inci

The incident isn't quite as you indicated. Soulis was shot in the chest (hit vest), left arm twice, and thigh before Palmer was wounded. So it wasn't that Palmer was shot 22 times and then injured Soulis. The 17 COM shots were not actually all COM, but shots on the body. In other words, there were a lot of shots to non-vital areas of the body. No doubt some of the wounds overlapped. When wounds overlap, redamaging and already damaged area does not add much in the way of more damage. It is still impressive to absorb that much physical insult, however.

 

[Shawn Dodson]

Two Hazleton officers justifiably fired 108 rounds, killing a teen who was accused of shooting a 9-year-old boy and a police officer, Luzerne County District Attorney David Lupas said Wednesday.

George T. Deeb III’s actions, which included reloading his weapon two times and firing 25 rounds at police, warranted Cpl. John Leonard and officer Shawn Conti using fatal force, Lupas said.

Leonard fired 34 rounds from a rifle and another 45 shots from his .40-caliber service pistol. Conti, who suffered a wound to his forehead after being struck by a bullet fragment, fired 29 shots from his .40-caliber service pistol.

‘It must be understood throughout this time period Mr. Deeb was given numerous orders to cease and desist which he failed to abide by, Lupas said at a press conference announcing the officers had been cleared of any wrongdoing.

Authorities also outlined how Deeb, 18, initiated the Nov. 29 gunfight. First, he telephoned police, baiting them to a North Cedar Street parking lot on a dark, foggy night. Then, without warning, he opened fire on officer Keith McAlarney, the first to arrive on scene. At point-blank range Deeb fired a shot from a semi-automatic pistol through the passenger-side window of McAlarney’s cruiser.

After trying to hit Deeb with his cruiser, McAlarney hastily backed the car out of the parking lot near Harman-Geist Stadium. McAlarney was able to get away, but not before a bullet shattered a bone in his left arm.

Deeb was struck 17 times, said Luzerne County Coroner Dr. John Consalvo. A bullet that grazed Deeb’s liver, and others that struck his chest and neck, caused his lungs to fill with blood, resulting in his death, the coroner said. ‘If there was ever a suicide by cop, this was it,’ Consalvo said.

Despite the number of shots to his abdomen, chest, neck and extremities, 11 of which exited his body, Deeb continued to struggle with police even after he was lying on the ground, authorities said. It took a few officers to restrain Deeb so he could be handcuffed and placed on a stretcher, authorities said.

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WARNING: The following link contains graphic autopsy photographs of the deceased attacker from the incident described above. Keep in mind that the following link is an FBI report addressing MISINFORMATION REGARDING AMMUNITION TERMINAL PERFORMANCE as reported on a law enforcement discussion board – the account of the incident on slide 6 of the report is UNTRUE. See - http://www.defensivecarry.com/documents/officer.pdf

 

[Paul Gomez]

Best comments I ever heard on the whole 9mm vs 45...

'All that 9mm ball I was issued must've been defective! It sure killed a lot of guys I shot with it.' -- from a former Royal Marine Commando and Special Boat Service guy

'Listen, Sonny, in the war I shot a lot of men. None of them ever told me I killed them with too small a bullet.' -- A member of the 1st Special Service Force, the father of a friend of mine, talking to an RO at a USPSA match after having Major & Minor power factor explained to him.

 

[Maple_City_Woodsman]

It's not BS, it's Factual

He's a forensic anthropologist with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

I think I see our problem - He's an anthropologist.

I am an anthropology student myself; I have had some instruction on the subject, and I have read the textbooks used in this field. They all have one thing in common ...

They SUCK at describing gun shot trauma! Seriously - every forensic textbook I have ever seen glosses over important aspects of terminal ballistics and/or makes broad generalizations about gun types in general, to that point that a forensic tech with no other instruction could easily mistake certain pistol wounds for rifle shots, or misidentify bullet diameter, ect.

If the guys only knowledge of terminal ballistics came from the forensic books he read in college, then I have no doubt at all he was shocked to find the reality very different, and in his confusion, made several generalizations or exaggerations of his field findings.

 

[Shadow 7D]

never mind

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I think I see our problem - He's an anthropologist.

I am an anthropology student myself; I have had some instruction on the subject, and I have read the textbooks used in this field. They all have one thing in common ...

They SUCK at describing gun shot trauma! Seriously - every forensic textbook I have ever seen glosses over important aspects of terminal ballistics and/or makes broad generalizations about gun types in general, to that point that a forensic tech with no other instruction could easily mistake certain pistol wounds for rifle shots, or misidentify bullet diameter, ect.

Your summary dismissal of physical anthropologists is extremely naive and inappropriate without direct knowledge of the person in general. There are numerous noteworthy forensic physical anthropogists.

Just what are these textbooks with the inappropriate information that you claim suck so badly that you have written off all physical anthropogists as being incompetent on any matter concerning GSW?

 

[Nordeste]

The 9mm has been around for... a century?. It has fought wars, quite a few. We may ask all those who have died as a result of a 9mm shot if they think it's ineffective.

BTW, I read the "report". All I found out is that this guy has something against the 9mm and will do whatever is in his hands to despise it. True that a .40 or .45 has more punch, but not that the 9mm can't do the job, period.

 

[mrmeangenes]

I don't know if original story was true or made-up, but the following:

"I've read that whole series of posts at least three times now, and while it's a really good read and well written, I'm still comfortable carrying .380 auto, 9x19, and .38 special. Doesn't mean I don't carry .45 acp or .357 mag as well, but I take it with a grain of salt."

...makes me wonder. How many guns does this individual carry at a time --and for what earthly purpose ?????

 

[george29]

I read his report a few years ago hoping to get something factual for my personal use. I dismissed most of his conclusions but liked the way he wrote. I will always want to be armed with at least a 9mm (which I carried for many years) and even then I have known a cop that shot a felon with a 9 then got knifed to death by that same felon. (Cop was using FMJ, felon died a few moments later).

 

[orionengnr]

I see an average of 8.2 autopsies per day/365 days per year,

Stop and think about that for a minute. Do the math. This guy is saying that he views almost 3000 autopsies per year. Now, consider this. Most deaths do not require an autopsy...only those where the cause of death is in question or some other unusual circumstance.

More to the point: How many cities have 3000 firearms deaths per year?

None.

From the FBI's latest stats, in 2010 there were about 12,000 handgun-related homicides in the whole country.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...o-law-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain
Can you imagine one city that had 25% of all of these?
No? Neither can anyone else. Not DC, not Chicago, not LA, not Detroit, not Philidelpia, not Dallas, not Miami... Certainly not Atlanta.

This guy has appeared in a number of places using different screen names (the first time I saw him was on the S&W forum several years ago). His credibility has been called into question repeatedly...with good reason. When called out, he disappears and pops up somewhere else.

After reading enough of this, I call it an excercise in creative writing. Or to be less diplomatic, I call BS.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Stop and think about that for a minute. Do the math. This guy is saying that he views almost 3000 autopsies per year. Now, consider this. Most deaths do not require an autopsy...only those where the cause of death is in question or some other unusual circumstance.

I think the math was already done up in post 31.

 

[Lawdawg45]

Stop and think about that for a minute. Do the math. This guy is saying that he views almost 3000 autopsies per year. Now, consider this. Most deaths do not require an autopsy...only those where the cause of death is in question or some other unusual circumstance.

More to the point: How many cities have 3000 firearms deaths per year?

None.

From the FBI's latest stats, in 2010 there were about 12,000 handgun-related homicides in the whole country.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...o-law-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain
Can you imagine one city that had 25% of all of these?
No? Neither can anyone else. Not DC, not Chicago, not LA, not Detroit, not Philidelpia, not Dallas, not Miami... Certainly not Atlanta.

This guy has appeared in a number of places using different screen names (the first time I saw him was on the S&W forum several years ago). His credibility has been called into question repeatedly...with good reason. When called out, he disappears and pops up somewhere else.

After reading enough of this, I call it an excercise in creative writing. Or to be less diplomatic, I call BS.

Thank you for at least quoting a credible source!

LD

 

[willypete]

How many guns does this individual carry at a time --and for what earthly purpose ?????

Are you trying to make a joke? Did you really read that to mean that I carry all those calibers at the same time?

 

[aryfrosty]

Ammo

This is humbug. Over four decades in Police work I learned the 10% / 90% rule well. If 10% of what someone says is BS then the other 90% is highly suspect. The writer lost me when he was bragging about the number of post-mortem exams he saw every day ("365 days a year"). I call BS on that. Nobody in Atlanta's morgues or anywhere else sees Posts 365 days a year. If he needs to lie about that then he's a liar and deserves no attention to his other statements.

 

[silversport]

...and it is just opinion...perhaps with a bit more information (a more informed opinion ?) but opinion just the same...if what he said were true, all Medical Examiners would agree and we'd have the answer on caliber, etc...we don't...just more information for the mental library...YMMV...

Bill

 

[asia331]

More caliber wars. One assumes the test subjects were all equally dead?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

More caliber wars. One assumes the test subjects were all equally dead?

They may be equally dead, but not necessarily equally stopped. Percentage of lethality isn't very helpful is the lethal aspect is very slow and the bad guy has a chance to reap additional harm while dying. Some may have died seconds, minutes, hours, or days after being shot.

 

[Maple_City_Woodsman]

Your summary dismissal of physical anthropologists is extremely naive and inappropriate without direct knowledge of the person in general. There are numerous noteworthy forensic physical anthropogists.

Just what are these textbooks with the inappropriate information that you claim suck so badly that you have written off all physical anthropogists as being incompetent on any matter concerning GSW?

Is that not what you have just done?

My focus is in physical anthropology. The above post is mostly light hearted in nature. You take yourself way too seriously - Every anthropologist I know, regardless of focus, is open to jokes and criticism. Strange that you are not?