GhostlyKarliion
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Excellent job nelson! It’s your GF's house, if she wants the door open then that is her choice, you have the right to Freedom From Fear and you executed perfectly.
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Excitement at the GF's House
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Nelson,
Good job for quick reaction and giving the unwelcome guests the moment to sort thing out! I was helping my daughter and son in law move from one apartment complex to another. The first apartment on second floor the new one on the third floor two buildings over. We are carrying boxes back and forth, I am suffering from all the up and down walking. I go up the stairs open the door and proceed to walk into the WRONG apartment. It took me a couple of seconds to wonder who had set the bed up and made it, then WOW I realized what I had done. A couple of quick steps back thru the Unlocked front door and back up the stairs to the correct apartment. Final note, no one in the wrong apartment noticed me entering.
Good job for quick reaction and giving the unwelcome guests the moment to sort thing out! I was helping my daughter and son in law move from one apartment complex to another. The first apartment on second floor the new one on the third floor two buildings over. We are carrying boxes back and forth, I am suffering from all the up and down walking. I go up the stairs open the door and proceed to walk into the WRONG apartment. It took me a couple of seconds to wonder who had set the bed up and made it, then WOW I realized what I had done. A couple of quick steps back thru the Unlocked front door and back up the stairs to the correct apartment. Final note, no one in the wrong apartment noticed me entering.
TexasRifleman
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Somehow locking your front door and the Patriot Act don't seem to me to be the same, but that's just me I guess.
Fella's;
1995 Ford Escort uses the Ford 10 cut key system. Cuts 1-6 operate the doors, hatch, trunk, etc. Cuts 5-10 operate the ignition. Cuts 5 & 6 are therefore common to both lock sets.
So it's not all that uncommon for your Ford key to operate someone else's door, or ignition lock, but not both. It's also not uncommon for someone to bring me a Ford door lock & tell me to make a key for it, which I do, and then come back madder'n a wet hen because it won't work the ignition.
There ya go, Ford 10-cut 101 free of charge.
Of course, going around trying to see how many car doors your key will work is a good way to find out if the neighborhood watch is active, the real owner is also a gun owner, or the cops response time is better than average.
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1995 Ford Escort uses the Ford 10 cut key system. Cuts 1-6 operate the doors, hatch, trunk, etc. Cuts 5-10 operate the ignition. Cuts 5 & 6 are therefore common to both lock sets.
So it's not all that uncommon for your Ford key to operate someone else's door, or ignition lock, but not both. It's also not uncommon for someone to bring me a Ford door lock & tell me to make a key for it, which I do, and then come back madder'n a wet hen because it won't work the ignition.
There ya go, Ford 10-cut 101 free of charge.
Of course, going around trying to see how many car doors your key will work is a good way to find out if the neighborhood watch is active, the real owner is also a gun owner, or the cops response time is better than average.
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wally
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I'm old enough to remember when nobody locked their doors or cars and guns were available by mail order to everyone no FFLs required (except in NY CIty according to the ads in the back of the mags at the barbershop). I'm easy to convince that as guns have been "controlled" only the criminals benefited from it.
Sad commentary on the times when the victim is being chided for failing to want to be a prisoner in in their own home.
+1 on effective and appropriate response!
--wally.
TexasRifleman
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People used to ride horses to school too. Sad commentary on the times or not, the fact remains that locking your door is something you should just do.
That it's sad it is necessary really doesn't matter.
We live in reality, not 1925.
Using the argument that you leave your door unlocked as some kind of protest against the world in general is, well, dumb but I know people that do that.
TallPine
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Something else to consider ... if you did have to shoot, then even a busted screen door would be evidence in your favor
MikePGS
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Or lives far away from major metropolitan areas. Of course, maybe the breakins that have occured around my house were just by misguided souls?
Frog48
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It happens. Everyone has forgotten to lock their door at least once in their life.
I'm glad, as I'm sure you are, that the situation was resolved without shots fired. Sounds like you handled it very well.
I'm glad, as I'm sure you are, that the situation was resolved without shots fired. Sounds like you handled it very well.
from your description of tunnel vision, hearing loss and such, you really werent undercontroll. you were freaked out and ready to fire off shots.
if you were under control you would have heard what the guys said, and wouldent have had tunnel vision. you were in hunter mode ready to attack.
and i agree with the rest, why wasent the door locked if she lives in a bad neighborhood ?.
if you were under control you would have heard what the guys said, and wouldent have had tunnel vision. you were in hunter mode ready to attack.
and i agree with the rest, why wasent the door locked if she lives in a bad neighborhood ?.
I say son, he said he was at the girlfriends and they were both on the couch. Have your elder explain this social interaction between 50 year old adults.
You did good no one got shot and you have no arrest record for being in the right. You had the right response. ps LOCK her door.
from your description of tunnel vision, hearing loss and such, you really werent undercontroll. you were freaked out and ready to fire off shots.
Sorry, this is absolute bs. This is alert mode and is a commonly reported reaction. Go back and read it again, the gun was pointed at the floor, I was in a prepared stance, I was watching their actions and ready to react appropriately.
Absolutely I was ready to fire, strangers had invaded the home of my girl friend. If they had had guns, or hadn't backed off shots would have been fired. They backed off and I stood down, end of story.
Criminals commonly use conversation to distract intended victims, there is no reason to relax alertness until the threat is past.
Sorry, this is absolute bs. This is alert mode and is a commonly reported reaction. Go back and read it again, the gun was pointed at the floor, I was in a prepared stance, I was watching their actions and ready to react appropriately.
Absolutely I was ready to fire, strangers had invaded the home of my girl friend. If they had had guns, or hadn't backed off shots would have been fired. They backed off and I stood down, end of story.
Criminals commonly use conversation to distract intended victims, there is no reason to relax alertness until the threat is past.
ny32182
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So they were "gone in a flash", but had time to explain why they were there? I'm just curious about the whole timeline.
Yes that is interesting.
Interesting that nelson133 didn't say a word to them, too. Someone gets up in a SD situation, grabs a gun, goes to low ready to challlenge some intruders--says not a word to them--but they still manage to blurt out their shabby excuse for stumbling into a home that wasn't theirs....and that blurted information has to come from an onlooker?
Something about it is odd--a defender with a gun against two interlopers who is mute and doesn't issue a verbal challlenge or warning of any kind? What kind of training excercise is that from?
Seems like something is missing from the account.
I'm glad no one was hurt and that all is normal again.
Nelson,
I'm glad no-one got hurt, but from your account, just "walking" in seems to fit their explanation that they simply got the wrong house. If I just had a gun pointed at me, I would probably leave the neighborhood also (I know you said the gun was pointed at the floor, but from their perspective, it was pointed at them).
Now, if your account was, "2 guys came busting in through the door...", then I could see the immediate need to take your "ready" stance.
I know you feel they had ill intent, but it seems to me that if 2 people came leisurely strolling in, you may have assessed the situation incorrectly. IMHO
Well some of these comments do sound a little like second guessing, but I will take them in the spirit I hope they were given.
Two young men walked into a house that has been occupied by a lady in her fifties for a number of years. When confronted they left in a hurry, got in their vehicle and sped away. This makes me very doubtful that they mistakenly entered the wrong house, as they didn't try another house in the same neighborhood. I went with my instincts that it was a wrong situation, I have also found out that there have been some daylight home invasion robberies in the area recently. The fact that they fled when confronted doesn't convince me that they were innocent, it is exactly what I would expect they would do if they had bad intentions. If they had some story about why they were in the house, well I would expect criminals to have a story prepared. As far as how they came into the house, it was a suburban setting, in decent weather, and kicking a door would attract more attention than acting like they belonged there.
Now I don't know for SURE what they intended, I stood up with a gun and faced them, but I didn't point the gun at them. They may have seen me pick up the gun or not. They may have expected no one in the house but my girlfriend and my being there scared them off, I wasn't reading their minds. I don't know how they came through the door because we had our backs to the door sitting on the couch, I reacted to the door opening and saw them just inside the doorway. I don't know why I didn't say anything, I've always thought that I would. All my concentration was on them and I was waiting to see what they would and they beat feet.
Two young men walked into a house that has been occupied by a lady in her fifties for a number of years. When confronted they left in a hurry, got in their vehicle and sped away. This makes me very doubtful that they mistakenly entered the wrong house, as they didn't try another house in the same neighborhood. I went with my instincts that it was a wrong situation, I have also found out that there have been some daylight home invasion robberies in the area recently. The fact that they fled when confronted doesn't convince me that they were innocent, it is exactly what I would expect they would do if they had bad intentions. If they had some story about why they were in the house, well I would expect criminals to have a story prepared. As far as how they came into the house, it was a suburban setting, in decent weather, and kicking a door would attract more attention than acting like they belonged there.
Now I don't know for SURE what they intended, I stood up with a gun and faced them, but I didn't point the gun at them. They may have seen me pick up the gun or not. They may have expected no one in the house but my girlfriend and my being there scared them off, I wasn't reading their minds. I don't know how they came through the door because we had our backs to the door sitting on the couch, I reacted to the door opening and saw them just inside the doorway. I don't know why I didn't say anything, I've always thought that I would. All my concentration was on them and I was waiting to see what they would and they beat feet.
Nelson,
I'm really not trying to "2nd guess" your actions. I'm trying to determine what I would do in the same situation and whether or not someone just "walking" into my house would warrant me pulling my gun on them. I know you were there and went with what your instincts were telling you to do. I just hope that if I am ever faced with a situation, that all goes well.
I'm really not trying to "2nd guess" your actions. I'm trying to determine what I would do in the same situation and whether or not someone just "walking" into my house would warrant me pulling my gun on them. I know you were there and went with what your instincts were telling you to do. I just hope that if I am ever faced with a situation, that all goes well.
texas bulldog
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RE: all the door flak
my fiancee and i keep the doors locked when we are home. in fact, she is pretty fanatical about it. however, during the brief windows of time in texas in which the evening weather is comfortable enough to leave the door open, i will sometimes do so simply because i enjoy it. the windows don't open, so the screen door is the only way to accomplish this. whenever, i feel the desire to do this, i will keep a gun close by because, well, it's not a great neighborhood. not horrible, but not great either. i trust my ability to bring the weapon to bear quickly if needed. i also trust my 80 pound american bulldog [usually mistaken for a pit, only larger] to alert me to any potential trouble before i would notice it myself. i also know that he will intimidate most would-be thieves or attackers into choosing a different victim.
i guess what i'm saying here is that, stupid or not, sometimes i'm going to take a risk like leaving the front door open [with screen latched] because, dangit, it's just how i want to live my life. and i refuse to act in fear of an attack at all times.
good job, nelson. i won't second-guess you on the door, the gun location, or anything else. i hope that i will be able to do the same if ever i'm presented with a similar situation.
my fiancee and i keep the doors locked when we are home. in fact, she is pretty fanatical about it. however, during the brief windows of time in texas in which the evening weather is comfortable enough to leave the door open, i will sometimes do so simply because i enjoy it. the windows don't open, so the screen door is the only way to accomplish this. whenever, i feel the desire to do this, i will keep a gun close by because, well, it's not a great neighborhood. not horrible, but not great either. i trust my ability to bring the weapon to bear quickly if needed. i also trust my 80 pound american bulldog [usually mistaken for a pit, only larger] to alert me to any potential trouble before i would notice it myself. i also know that he will intimidate most would-be thieves or attackers into choosing a different victim.
i guess what i'm saying here is that, stupid or not, sometimes i'm going to take a risk like leaving the front door open [with screen latched] because, dangit, it's just how i want to live my life. and i refuse to act in fear of an attack at all times.
good job, nelson. i won't second-guess you on the door, the gun location, or anything else. i hope that i will be able to do the same if ever i'm presented with a similar situation.
Man, tough crowd. I won't say anything about my front door.
nelson133 - in my CCW class, the instructor strongly emphasized informing the police of any incident like the one you described. He had several reasons, but the one I remember was that if you ever get into a situation where you are in court, police records of you using your gun for self defense without firing any shots (or making threats) will help to show you're not a hot-head with a gun.
nelson133 - in my CCW class, the instructor strongly emphasized informing the police of any incident like the one you described. He had several reasons, but the one I remember was that if you ever get into a situation where you are in court, police records of you using your gun for self defense without firing any shots (or making threats) will help to show you're not a hot-head with a gun.
Bones11b
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To Nelson good job, and keep up the good work (at the range and with two GF's). As for the door being unlocked I live in a ten unit apt complex, and know all my neighbors. All of us at one time or another leave our doors wide open when the weather permits here in sunny south Florida. We don't do it as a statement we do it because we feel comfortable knowing any strangers approaching one of our neighbors apartments are sure to attract attention and most likely be greeted by one of us neighbors. It's called looking out for eachother. I also leave my car unlocked at times as do my neighbors. We help eachother carry groceries and keep an eye on the kids when they are playing. Locking ourselves indoors may keep you safe but I rather lower my gaurd, risk the unfortunate, and live as I do.
Lupinus
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as to tolerant I've been blessed with a lovely girl I am going shooting with in a day or two 
Have to jump on the lock the door thing myself. As you said it isn't the nicest neighborhood and even if it was it's a good idea to keep it locked in the event of those who prey on the "Oh but it's such a good neighborhood who would have expected..." crowd.
Have to jump on the lock the door thing myself. As you said it isn't the nicest neighborhood and even if it was it's a good idea to keep it locked in the event of those who prey on the "Oh but it's such a good neighborhood who would have expected..." crowd.
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