Experts Find Glocks Prone To Accidents

[R.H. Lee]

The biggest deficiency in most police departments is training IMHO. Not only firearms training, but how to restrain, arrest, followup, interact, etc.

PD's always want new toys. $$ would be better spent in officer training.

 

[MuzzleBlast]

He said he's heard reports of a Glock being unintentionally fired, and each time it's because someone messed up; the gun itself has never malfunctioned.

"We're in a society where we're making inanimate objects responsible for our stupidity," he said. "You have to put warnings on things. You can't put your dog in a microwave oven to dry him. Common sense has to take over here."

I'm really glad they let this guy have the last word in that article.

 

[aguyindallas]

The fact is:

Guns don't kill people, stupid people with guns kill people.

Remove "stupid people" and replace with your usual "stupid expletive"

I just cant imagine my Sig hopping up from the night stand and unloading on me!

 

[Bart Noir]

That safety won't stop all ND's....

...unless the ND-prone people never field-strip their Glock. Which might be true!!! You have to pull the trigger and "drop the hammer?" no, I guess I mean "fling the striker", to take the slide off the frame, right?

Bart Noir

 

[Brat7748]

Hey guys this is an OLD story, from LAST year. And keep in mind that Cominolli is trying to sell his "safety device", and I bet he gets paid pretty well to be an "expert" at trial too. None of which is an excuse for an ND of course.

 

[Edmond]

Hey guys this is an OLD story, from LAST year. And keep in mind that Cominolli is trying to sell his "safety device", and I bet he gets paid pretty well to be an "expert" at trial too. None of which is an excuse for an ND of course.

For $75 a unit, between 600-800 units sold to LEO's and private citizens, he's grossed $45,000-60,000 at the time that article was published. I'd say he has a reason to say Glocks aren't safe without his device.

 

[flatrock]

I don't have a problem with Cominolli making safeties for Glocks. The only thing I didn't like was his unwillingness to call the negligent discharges what they were.

If someone wants to add an extra safety to their Glock, that's fine with me.

I do have a problems with gun owners that don't take responsibility for their actions when they screw up.

I feel my Glock is perfectly safe as it is. It doesn't fire unless the trigger is pulled.

I follow the 4 safety rules.

When I'm dry firing my gun, I always check to make sure it's empty first. If I set it down, I check again when I pick it up.

If I'm dry firing while watching TV and I'm distracted by the show, or by a conversation, I reverify that the gun is unloaded before I dry fire again.

I know no one is perfect, and careful people get distracted and make mistakes. That's why we need to be so careful with guns. That's why following safety rules, even when they seem excessive, is so important.

You usually have to make several mistakes to harm someone through a negligent discharge. This redundancy of safety rules is because people do make mistakes, and no one wants to harm someone through a mistake.

 

[Croyance]

Guess I've just been lucky all this time.

 

[Obiwan]

At least he referred to it as "Brain Fade' and not an inherently dangerous weapon.

Can you really expect people that can't remember NOT to pull the trigger to remember to engage their safety????

 

[cerberus]

All and All

I think Glock make a very good firearm. But for a new to guns person I don't think it's the best choice. Unless the new to gun person gets some real hands on training using the Glock. For a gun store salesman or woman to just sell a Glock to someone buying a gun for the first time and sending off with it and a box of Ammo. Is just saying"or thinking" good luck everyone. A Glock is a militery type firearm it was designed to be used by trained military users.

 

[bountyhunter]

"Even with good training, people forget," he said. "And guns are not forgiving

POORLY DESIGNED guns are not forgiving. Lower the safety lever on a Beretta 92FS to the "safe" position then try to fire it. The firing pin has a block in place. The impeller that strikes the firing pin has been rotated out of position so the hammer can't hit it even if you thumb the hammer. And the entire trigger system is disconnected from the sear and hammer.

Beat it with a rock, drop it on it's muzzle, yank the trigger a thousand times........do anything you want: it will NOT fire.

A safety by definition is something that makes the gun SAFE! A Glock "safety" is one that only works as long as you don't touch the trigger (?) You do the math.

 

[Amish_Bill]

A better description of the Glock ssafeties might be "Impact Proof" instead of "User Proof"

 

[Mark13]

I disagree that a Glock is only for experienced users. It's no different than a revolver. You pull the trigger, it goes bang. I think DAO pistols, no safety and revolvers are the best for beginners.

 

[Waitone]

I disagree that a Glock is only for experienced users. It's no different than a revolver. You pull the trigger, it goes bang. I think DAO pistols, no safety and revolvers are the best for beginners.

Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner.

The Glock was designed to be just like a revolver. Point it and go bang.

No safety, just a long trigger pull. . . . .just like a revolver.

If the ossifer can't get a manual of arms straight on safing a handgun, what chance does the ossifer have in doing a combat reload when adrenelin is squirting out the ears? None.

 

[The Rabbi]

Sorry to disagree. I havent shot too many Glocks but I have shot a few revolvers. They are nothing alike. Even a tuned revolver has a trigger pull substantially different from a glock. The quality of the pull is different as well. I dont know whether Glocks are more dangerous than any other auto loader or not but they sure arent anything like a revolver, despite company hype.

 

[Daps]

I seem to remember my Khar K9 didnt have any external safety other than keeping your finger off the trigger. Don't have a problem with it or my Glock..Just wonder why Glock is the bastard of these conversations when there are other guns designed the same way.

 

[Mr Jody Hudson]

Those naughty out of control fingers are found mostly on cops and punk rockers I guess; the trigger finger on cops and the middle one on others... I guess that makes the punks smarter than some cops, in this case.

 

[JohnKSa]

Seems like this advertisem...I mean...article was old the first time I saw it a year or two ago...

 

[Croyance]

The safety of a Glock really isn't an issue in some of these incidents. Remember, to field-strip a Glock one:
1.) Ejects magazine
2.) Empties chamber
3.) Points gun in a safe direction
4.) Pulls trigger
5.) Pushes tab

Steps 2 & 3 are obviously being skipped. A safety lever is meaningless in this situation. A magazine safety wouldn't help in these striker fired guns either. Is a person who forgets to empty the chamber and point the gun in a safe direction really going to remember to put in an empty magazine before pulling the trigger? I'm guessing no.

So the Cominolli Safety is totally irrelevant to this process.

 

[carpettbaggerr]

I havent shot too many Glocks but I have shot a few revolvers. They are nothing alike. Even a tuned revolver has a trigger pull substantially different from a glock.

They may feel different, but they are the same. Pull the trigger and it goes bang. And the trigger pull is the same for every shot. The Glock's trigger is lighter, but it's a long pull, and it's the same from the first shot to the last. Just like a revolver.

"I've been in this business a long time, and I can tell you there are many, many accidental discharges that never get reported," Cowin said. "When people are holstering or drawing that weapon, they automatically put their finger in that trigger guard without even thinking about it."

I really don't want anyone trained by this asshat arresting me. Just like the trooper who "accidentally" blew out a guy's brains while arresting him.

Hey. What're you gonna do?

 

[The Rabbi]

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I havent shot too many Glocks but I have shot a few revolvers. They are nothing alike. Even a tuned revolver has a trigger pull substantially different from a glock.
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They may feel different, but they are the same. Pull the trigger and it goes bang. And the trigger pull is the same for every shot. The Glock's trigger is lighter, but it's a long pull, and it's the same from the first shot to the last. Just like a revolver. >>>

Carpetbagger. In a revolver pulling the trigger removes the safeties, raises the hammer and releases the hammer. In a Glock, as I understand it, pulling the trigger will not do all the same things. This is why they feel different. If they function differently and feel different then they are different. I understand Glock pushes this aspect of being "just like" a revolver. But it isnt. Not even my old lemonsqueezer safety with hidden hammer feels like the Glock. Glocks just have a much shorter pull. This may account for the issue because even if someone holds his finger in the trigger guard in a revolver he is much less likely to set it off. And on a stock revolver it would take considerable effort to run the trigger all the way.

 

[Tamara]

The Rabbi,

This may account for the issue because even if someone holds his finger in the trigger guard in a revolver he is much less likely to set it off.

Yet in the days when all cops carried Model 10's, it happened plenty often enough. Never underestimate the ingeniousness and persistance of idiots; simple things like manual safeties and ten pound trigger pulls can't thwart them.

 

[rick_reno]

"In 1988, the FBI issued a report on Glock handguns giving them low marks, citing a "high potential for unintentional shots," according to the Post. The agency will not release the report, according to an FBI spokesman in Washington, D.C. "

Has anyone seen or heard of this report? Might be time for a FOIA request.

 

[Tom Servo]

1.) Ejects magazine
2.) Empties chamber
3.) Points gun in a safe direction
4.) Pulls trigger
5.) Pushes tab

I've actually seen a few NDs where people mistakenly switch steps 2 and 4. Every time, it was a matter of inattentiveness or "brain haze." Just because you're not shooting it anymore doesn't mean you get to slide into distraction. At no point should you be in Condition White when handling a firearm. At all.

Still, it happens. And something about dry-firing during the unloading process still makes me uncomfortable. To each his own, though.

 

[bountyhunter]

1.) Ejects magazine
2.) Empties chamber
3.) Points gun in a safe direction
4.) Pulls trigger
5.) Pushes tab.

That is not as safe as the one I use:

1) Lock slide back on empty mag.
2) Drop mag.
3) Visually inspect barrel throat through the ejection port.
4) Insert tip of left pinkie finger in and verify no round is there.
5) Ease slide forward (after removing finger) and point gun downrange
6) Pull trigger to drop hammer.