Hokkmike
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So if you lived by the border of another state you would eliminate residents of that state?
Face to Face Firearms Purchase
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Crossing state lines - you should use a FFL.
Actually, with a few, narrow exceptions, any transfer (including a sale, loan, or gift) of a firearm from a resident of one State to a resident of another must under federal law go through an FFL.
d2wing
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I have driven across smaller countries.
Face to Face means what it says. Your seller seems clear about that. I've done that legally a number of times here in Kansas, but I'm not sure about your state laws/rules or his. I've done a number of deals like that and met at a location of MY choosing; like at my gun club which is behind a locked gate and lots of cops around. Both of us feel safe that way. I also spend a fair amount of time on the phone and email with prospective buyers. My buyers are friends or are referred by friends. Make sure you understand the laws and don't take unnecessary risks. You sound like you prefer to deal thru an FFL dealer. So maybe you should nix the deal.
Choctaw
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Yep. I live ten miles from Oklahoma. I will only sell to Texas residents.
No deal to nix. They had their terms. I proposed different terms and they weren't accepted. It was two messages from me. One - is it still available? Two - my proposed idea. Terms not accepted, so no deal. I'm out of state from him, so any deal would have to be through FFL's.
I was trying to propose the idea that if the seller walks into an FFL, hands it to an FFL, gets payment, and walks out, that could be considered face to face. At least by my way of thinking. What happens after that wouldn't be his concern. Again, that idea wasn't accepted. So, it got me asking, why only do FTF sales? There are reasons I hadn't considered.
I do prefer to deal with an FFL if I don't know the person. If I do know the person, I still use a bill of sale.
Yes.
Not really a grail gun, but on the list. It’s a S&W CS9 with 2 mags, asking price is $475 OBO. Anyone interested, PM me if you are in the Atlanta area. The OBO tells me you might get a few dollars more off but I thought the price is good, so I doubt it would come down much.
Ive done a few face to face but always did a sales reciept with description of the firearm and serial number and buyers drivers license. I also include my name and address on the reciept. He signs it and I give him a copy and its good to go. You can buy reciept books almost anywhere.
DeepSouth
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Some of us are just really lazy and hate hassle. Face to face is nice and easy simple and done when everyone walks off and no one else is involved.
Personally I’d probably make an exception, but to be honest it would depend a lot on my mood that day, and how the exchanges with the interested party had gone.
Personally I’d probably make an exception, but to be honest it would depend a lot on my mood that day, and how the exchanges with the interested party had gone.
230RN
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Another reason I'd like to see that stolen gun list publicly available.
To me, the no-FTF requirement is a warning flag for several reasons, and it probably is to other potential buyers as well.
It's ten foot pole time. With which I would not touch that deal, "good price" or no "good price."
Terry, 230RN
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Packing, shipping, driving to FFL, filling out forms... that all equates to work.
Perhaps the guy just wants to sell his gun and not do work.
Or perhaps for idiological reasons, he doesn't want to play the Feds game.
Or... it could be hot or used in a crime.
Or... it could be an ATF sting operation trying to suck someone into making an illegal buy.
Perhaps the guy just wants to sell his gun and not do work.
Or perhaps for idiological reasons, he doesn't want to play the Feds game.
Or... it could be hot or used in a crime.
Or... it could be an ATF sting operation trying to suck someone into making an illegal buy.
Nope
Face to Face is person to person without involving an FFL.
If you want to use an FFL then you aren't in a FTF transaction. Since you're out of state it is understandable you want to use an FFL.
If the seller only wants FTF in their state for whatever reason they may want to do that, that's their prerogative.
If you ask if they would do it through an FFL with you paying all expense and they decline then you are not going to go get the firearm.
It's unfortunate when something shiny attracts someone's attention, but they either can't or won't meet the terms of the sale and the seller can't or won't deviate from their terms. Thus is life.
I think people who don't live in states were private transfers are not only legal, but are also preferred by most, "get it." The reasons for preferring private transfers are numerous, but ultimately they don't matter. The owner of the property sets the terms for the transfer and potential recipients either accept it or they don't.
I think people who don't live in states were private transfers are not only legal, but are also preferred by most, "get it." The reasons for preferring private transfers are numerous, but ultimately they don't matter. The owner of the property sets the terms for the transfer and potential recipients either accept it or they don't.
I tend to disagree. If there were dubious conditions associated with payment and shipping , then I’d be suspicious, but the seller specified face to face.
This is really simple—-
- Seller stated ftf only.
- Potential buyer asks if seller would ship via an ffl.
- Seller declines.
The guy is simply sticking to the condition he originally stated. Some guys don’t like paper trails. Some people don’t trust the government. Maybe he lives in a state in which you can only sell X number of guns per year without the government breathing down your neck.
Doesn’t make a darned bit of difference why the seller doesn’t want to ship - it’s still a free country, ain’t it? Sort of anyway?
The deal never left the starting gate. Forget about it. Move on. What do you expect to gain by asking this group about it?
I moved on when the seller didn’t reply. What did I hope would happen? I hoped that the seller would modify the terms of their sale. Buyers do this all the time when they offer the seller something less than asking price.
What did I expect to gain by asking the group about it? A different perspective that I might not have been seeing or thought of. Turns out there are actually things I hadn’t thought of - so I gained something.
If someone with an FFL contacts the seller to buy the seller’s gun and meets the seller at a mutually agreed to location, does the fact the buyer has an FFL make the purchase not FTF? In my opinion, what the FFL does with the gun after the sale shouldn’t matter to the seller. But to the seller, my opinion does not matter and, to be clear, I’m OK with that.
RetiredUSNChief
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There could be any number of reasons a seller might not want to do this. Top of the list is very likely the perceived hassle. This is human nature, especially for people who aren't used to, or don't understand, the process. Or are just plain lazy.
Yes, there could be nefarious intent, too. We can spend all day speculating on what those may be. But that's a waste of time as you will never know unless the seller actually voices them. So go with the human nature aspect and leave it at that.
Face to face is good. Concludes deal right then. 2 FFL's, shipping, buyer inspection, payment methods. Heck, I do not blame the guy for wanting fact to face and for declining an offer that required shipping. I have sold a couple of guns online and it takes a while to conclude the deal. He is probably going to be able to sell the gun his way just fine. When I run gun searches I often run them just for my state since I would prefer to buy that way.
Yep. I've sold and shipped a few guns (very few
). They were rifles, so I could ship them to an FFL via the post office and didn't have to go through an FFL on my end. Looking at the costs of shipping pistols, I don't think you would come out ahead trying to improve on your collection, so I would also prefer face to face. But if the hypothetical "offer I couldn't refuse" came to me, I probably wouldn't refuse providing I come out ahead monetarily and that monetary amount covers the hassles.Sometimes people have trouble traveling to an FFL nearby or finding time during the work week. If they own it illegally why would they post it online for all the world to see? Some states also accept a ccw permit in lieu of a background check, so that might be what the seller is looking for. In any case, he’s not obligated to comply with whatever conditions a buyer wants to set.
You'd be amazed how many illegal things people post online. Hunting law violators are routinely caught that way. My mother in law used to work as a secretary for a county judge. She would often inform the county sheriff of the location of folks in the area who had warrants out for their arrest. The people would be making posts on Facebook giving their location.
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Did I miss something? Isn't that the law?
Only if an FFL isn't going to be involved. He was saying he won't mess with an FFL. I'm the same way. Not going to bother selling to someone out of state.
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