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Those I speak of are my own.
Here are some reasons why I don't hunt:
I'm scared of wounding an animal, of not making a clean kill, and it suffers needlessly through my fault.
I'm worried that I'm not a good enough shot to go hunting.
What if I don't like the way it tastes? I'll make myself eat it to honor it, but I probably won't go hunting ever again.
The only animal I ever saw killed for food purposes was a chicken that my great-grandma popped the head off of. :what:
I can understand that we're now the top predator. I can sort of understand the stalk, the hunt, and the kill. After that I'm clueless. I've never seen an animal cleaned/dressed, and I don't know what parts can or cannot be eaten. I'm interested, but it would have to be something small and plentiful, like a duck. I'd be intimidated by the carcass of a deer, something as big as I am. Plus deer are cute. Raccoons, rabbits, and all wild cats are cute to me. :p
I'm scared by the myths (you killed it, so you have to drink its blood, eat its raw heart, etc.) and I'm afraid of diseases. I'm afraid of being shot or shot at by other hunters. I suspect a part of me will die the moment I kill something.
I can shoot a human, but have qualms about bagging a buck. But then Bambi has never broken into my house trying to kill me.
Can I get over this, should I get over this, or should I resign myself to being strictly a defensive shooter?:confused:
 
1. If you are happy just shooting paper there is no reason for you to change.

2. It's a myth that you need to honor what you kill by eating it. I'm a vegetarian and I like to hunt. Do you eat the flies you kill?? I do give the meat of what I kill to my carnivorous friends who eat it with relish.

3. Don't you have a friendly guy around who would gut your deer, etc? Then you take the carcass to a local butcher that accepts wild game and viola, you have steaks just like in the supermarket.

4. In my opinion, getting meat from a supermarket is like eating the flesh of prisoners who had no chance. In hunting of the fair chase sort, the animal at least has a chance and has enjoyed freedom for a time.

5. I can't comment on the flavor having never eaten wild game. I have numerous friends that think it's pretty good stuff. My wife wants nothing to do with it. It's a personal thing.

6. I can see how you think the animals are cute. I have a groundhog that has dug under my porch. It's cute (I saw it yesterday) and it managed to vanish before I could get my gun. My rule is, if it's around my home, I shoot it; if it's on the "back forty" I let it be. Likewise, if deer are molesting my trees, they go to the happy hunting ground via a nuisance deer permit; otherwise I wait for hunting season. In short; the animals are cute until they do damage which translates into there being too many of them.

7. If you are familiar with your gun and shoot it well and don't try ridiculous shots, it's unlikely that you'll lose much game though it will happen on occasion.
 
Can I get over this, should I get over this, or should I resign myself to being strictly a defensive shooter?

Yes.
Only if you want to, it has to be your call.
There's nothing wrong with being a shooter for defensive purposes and leaving hunting to those who want to do it. But for what it's worth, most of you concerns are things that can be addressed by hanging out with experienced hunters. If you don't have any handy, (that's what it sounds like) there are programs such as Becoming an Outdoors Woman (BOW) that introduce woman to various parts of the sport in a friendly atmosphere.

Here are some answers to your specific questions:
Feild dressing an animal is just a matter of learning. Think of the turkey you buy in the store. Your goal is to make the bird you shot look like that. I will spare you the details, but there isn't as much blood as the chicken incident.
Most of the fears are about things that have very little chance of happening. Dick Cheney aside, you are much more likely to die in a car crash than get shot while hunting.
The cute factor is a bit tougher. About the only way to beat that is to taste fresh venison tenderloin.;)

Good luck which ever way you go, Griz
 
In my opinion, you're doing exactly the right thing, that is, giving the matter serious thought while you try to make up your mind. Do whatever your heart and common sense tell you to do. No one can expect more than that from anyone.

Personally, I only hunt animals that I want to eat and that I can't reasonably buy in the store. That means mostly deer, bear, moose, if I ever get a permit (lottery in NH) and pheasant. Many of my friends enjoy the challenge of finding, stalking and killing the animal as a test of personal skill and perseverance. Some like the opportunity to get outdoors. Some, unfortunately, like the thrill of causing the animal's death.

Make up your own mind. Only you can decide. I think if you try it, you will come to like it or at least be comfortable with it. Start with birds, if that's more comfortable for you. Get an experienced friend to go with you.

Good luck, tell us about your first buck when you bag it.

Bill
 
These are all good questions you have. In reality, you are the only one that can answer most of them. I suggest that you go one a hunt but not shoot at least the first time. Try to be involved some how, use a spotting scope and help scout, if/when a kill takes places, help clean and then ask to try some. Unless you are talking "old school" guys, most will be happy to help you figure it out.

As for a fist hunt on somthing smaller, shy away from duck (rich meat that can taste nasty if not done right) and try somthing like quail, grouse, or phesant. Of course, this will requier you to get a shotgun :D

Adittionally, turkey season is getting ready to open in most places, that might be a good place to start as well. Again, ask around at work, friends, or a local gun shop you trust. I bet you have a large list of guys/gals willing to help out.
 
Good for you!

Giving it serious thought and not basing your potential decision on emotional rhetoric. As a hunter, I say we do need more hunters like you who are serious about the sport, but that's a decision that only you can make. It sounds like you're on your way to making one you'll be content with. I'd say to follow ID_Shooting's advice and just tag along on a hunt. Make an educated decision, which it seems like you want to do.
 
All good info, allow me to add to it. I’m always glad to find new hunters with ethical concerns, it lends to becoming an ethical hunter. Birds can be tricky. If you are not accustomed to wing shooting, suggest a lesson or two at the trap and skeet range first. As for the cute and fuzzy side, may I suggest hog hunting? It is not anywhere near as dangerous as some may make it sound. You can hunt them via the same methods employed for deer hunting and use the same equipment. And…pigs come in all sizes, so you don’t have to worry about standing over a carcass your size. Another plus is the meat, delicious and easy to prepare. Venison and many other cuts of game require a bit of skill in cooking as they are very low in fat and can dry out while cooking. Pork has some fat to it, for the most part, not near as much as domestic pork, but enough. Where are you located?
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What a thought-provoking post. I would imagine it makes all of us examine the reasons why we enjoy hunting, both noble and less-than-noble, and that's a good thing.

I'm not going to lie to you though - it's a tough question to answer. Either you end up sounding really hokey, or you end up sounding like Ted Nugent. ("spirit of the wild" and all that jazz) For me, it's somewhere in between. I like the preparation, the gear, knowing the terrain, knowing the environment, knowing my gun. I like studying the animals, knowing their habits, predicting their behavior, reading their signs, getting to know them well. The kill for me isn't really the point of hunting, but it's the culmination of hunting. It's fulfilling a predatory aspect of my nature (See? Here I go sounding like Nugent...) that I don't get anywhere else.

OK, let me describe it like this...
I'm in the woods on a crystal clear, cold morning. I've studied the terrain. I've done my homework. I know the prey and his habits and his diet and his routine. I've put myself in what I think is the best possible spot, and I've practiced with my weapon and tuned it and prepared it. Then you hear a stick break, or the leaves rustle, or some undefinable element changes in the environment, and I know he's there. My nostrils flare, my eyes widen, my pulse jumps, my adrenaline levels go through the roof, and all of that preparation and thought and practice and homework comes down to this single solitary moment of perfection. Success or failure. Provide for my family or come home empty-handed. In that moment I'm no different than a caveman with a spear sneaking up on a mammoth, or an indian with a bow hunting for deer. In that moment, I'm not thinking about my cell phone, or my credit card bills, or my dumbass boss, or anything. It's just me, and the prey, and the moment.

See? I told you it was impossible to discuss this without getting hokey. :)

OK, so let me stop being hokey and address your specific concerns.

I'm scared of wounding an animal, of not making a clean kill, and it suffers needlessly through my fault.
All good hunters that I know of worry about that. We minimize it by using weapons we know will deliver a clean kill, being careful about when and what we shoot, and being willing to let an animal go by if we don't feel comfortable with the shot. It's not perfect, and we make errors sometimes, but by and large it's enough.


I'm worried that I'm not a good enough shot to go hunting.
Yeah, we all worry about that too. That gives us a reason to practice though, and we enjoy practicing, and without that pressure of worrying about it, hunting would be a lot less of a thrill.


What if I don't like the way it tastes?
Hunters for the Hungry are great organizations. You should see if there's a branch in your state. If not, I'd be willing to bet you have friends who love venison. There's no shame in giving the meat away. The only shame would be in wasting it.


I've never seen an animal cleaned/dressed, and I don't know what parts can or cannot be eaten.
There are a LOT of books out there that will help you with this part, but there's no substitute for experience. I would strongly suggest finding a friend or neighbor who hunts and go with them, at least the first few times. Gutting, cleaning, butchering and preparing a game animal is... well, it's not hard - but it's complex, and easy to screw up. If you screw up, the meat gets wasted, and then you feel bad about that.


Plus deer are cute. Raccoons, rabbits, and all wild cats are cute to me.
The tongue-in-cheek response to that would be to say that they get a lot less cute when you've been trudging around in the woods freezing your butt off all day looking for them. The serious response would be to say that deer also get a lot less cute when they're malnourished and starving to death, which is what happens to them when there's no population controls and there are more deer than the land can support. Since hunters and car bumpers are about the only predators that deer have these days, hunting them and culling the herd becomes a pretty serious responsibility.


I'm scared by the myths
Every 14-year old boy who's anxious about killing his first buck is scared to death about that stuff too. Relax about that. We don't drink the blood, we don't rub anything on our faces, and we don't strip naked and dance around. Although maybe Nugent does. You'd have to ask him about that one. About the worst thing that we'll do is make you help field dress it, which will probably make you throw up the first time, which is no big deal. We all threw up the first time too. Sometimes we still throw up a little bit, no matter how many times we've done it.

Favorite myth story... my cousin was 15 years old and had just shot his first buck. A nice 7-point, if I remember correctly. Several of us had gathered around, and we'd just finished field dressing it, and one of my uncles was rigging up the ropes to drag it out. My cousin asked (with a nervous stammer) "Ummm... is there any kind of... you know, traditional kind of thing that I have to do now?" and my dad said "Yeah. See that gutpile over there? We're going to take every bit of that and shove it up your &^%$."

The look on my cousin's face (as I'm sure you can imagine) was priceless. :)


Can I get over this, should I get over this, or should I resign myself to being strictly a defensive shooter?
Can you? Of course you can. Should you? That's a question only you can answer. It's not like you're less of a shooter if you don't hunt, but you are missing out on something you might get a lot of enjoyment out of.
 
Ma'am, you should find someone to go hunting with even if you don't carry a firearm. Experience the hunt without pulling the trigger. Taste the tablefare and decide for yourself.

I'd be, and I'm sure plenty of THR folks, would be more than happy to introduce you to our beloved sport as well as some recipes for the game taken.
 
I'm scared of wounding an animal, of not making a clean kill, and it suffers needlessly through my fault.
i think every hunter has this in the back of their mind, at least. practice so you are confident in your gear helps a lot, and so does a rudimentary understanding of animal anatomy so you know where you're supposed to put the bullet.

What if I don't like the way it tastes?
just like some people don't care for chicken, or beef, or whatever, some critters are tasty, some aren't so much. you'll have to try a couple to see what is good for you.

I'm interested, but it would have to be something small and plentiful, like a duck.
better check on taste... to me, ducks taste like liver. pheasant seems to be liked by everybody.

I'm afraid of diseases.
i'm more concerned about getting sick from domestic meat - far more - than i am from game meat.

I'm afraid of being shot or shot at by other hunters. I suspect a part of me will die the moment I kill something.
most hunters have a 'moment of regret', if only fleeting, after they kill something. as for being shot, hunting may be the safest sport. wear orange, be aware of where you are and where others are - you'll be fine.

Can I get over this, should I get over this, or should I resign myself to being strictly a defensive shooter?
this is a personal decision. i would encourage you to at least try something like a pheasant hunt, where the hunt is controlled, the game plentiful, and the meat is truly universally tasty.
 
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Concerned you won't like it?

Hunt quail, elk, and shoat hog, and you're for certain going to find that you like it, if you're at all carnivorous.


Concerned you'll make them suffer needlessly? Good. You should be. That concern should drive you to practice, give thought to the situation, set personal limits on shots, and apply them. Don't make questionable shots.

If you're worried about these things, go with an experienced hunter who will back you up on the shot, if need be, and will help you best prepare the meat to enjoy it. My wife killed both of her deer this way. (I had seen her shoot on paper. I had zero concerns when the time came, but I still stood by with a 2nd rifle. She did as well as she had trained to do, at 95 yards and 140 yards, respectively. Both deer she found very tasty.)
 
in response to card's yakking episodes... the first time i dressed a deer, i didn't particularly enjoy it, but i didn't throw up, nor have i seen anybody that has. it makes a world of difference if you can get to the deer within a few minutes. if you wait, there is a gas build-up, and the smell is unattractive - but a fresh kill doesn't have that.

i have learned to look forward to the gutting. first, it means meat for me. second, it gives me a chance to do an up-close inspection of the bullet's performance (and mine, since i handload and tailor each load to a task), and reaffirms the anatomy of the critter. it also gives me a chance to do a close-up inspection of the meat, and peace of mind in how my food has been handled.
 
LadySmith ~

I deer hunted as a girl with my dad, but except for an occasional varmint, I haven't really hunted since I left home. Part of the reason for that is fear of dealing with the bloody aftermath all by myself ... my dad hasn't hunted in years, my husband doesn't hunt, and while I have a lot of shooting friends most of them are not hunters. (And of those that are, most hunt on limited and marginally-productive lands, so I wouldn't ask them to share with me ... sigh.)

There are a few things about the process I remember though. First, good hunters are afraid of injuring animals. It's not just a good-ethics matter of not wanting the animal to suffer; it's also the simple fact that tracking a wounded animal is a heckuva lot of unpleasant and difficult work. It's no fun at all! To avoid that, you practice (a lot) before hand, and during the hunt you are very careful never to take a shot you're not certain of. If that means you let an animal go that you think you could've shot -- oh well. Letting 'em go uninjured is a lot less stressful for all involved than is chasing 'em for a day and a half and finally giving up after they've been wounded.

My dad was always afraid of us getting shot. We always wore far more blaze orange than the law required, and we always kept in close contact with whomever we were hunting with -- poring over maps the night before, discussing who would be where, double-checking the lines of fire when we got on stand in the morning. Of course that doesn't take care of the strangers on public land, so you've got to be careful too. And don't do stupid stuff, like pulling off your blaze orange jacket and then strapping the deer head with its rack onto your backpack to carry it out! Someone sees a rack moving through the woods at that height, they're likely to shoot at it.

Venison seems to be an acquired taste, as with most other wild meats. Two possibilities. First, even if you end up disliking the taste of venison steaks as much as I do, grilling a steak isn't the only thing to do with a deer carcass. Venison stews are often very yummy, and venison jerky even more so. It's as much a question of preparation as it is of materials. If that doesn't work, you can always feed the stuff to other people. One of my best friends is an avid hunter who happens to be a vegetarian, so you wouldn't be the first or only woman ever to hunt for meat to feed other people.

Now for the real nub of your question: "I suspect a part of me will die the moment I kill something. ... Can I get over this, should I get over this, or should I resign myself to being strictly a defensive shooter?"

That's entirely up to you. You know your own internal landscape better than anyone else! As a primarily defensive handgunner myself, I do have one thought to offer you, from my perspective (yours may be different, and that's okay. How boring the world would be if we were all alike!).

My perspective is simply this: if you are too squeamish to pull the trigger on a mere animal, it might be that if/when you need to pull the trigger on a living, breathing human being you could hesitate or completely freeze. This is especially true if you really meant your comment about being afraid some part of you will die the moment you kill something. Of course, it might not be that way, too; please don't think I'm saying that every defensive shooter should be a hunter or anything like that. I'm only saying that the question is worth very carefully considering, using your imagination to picture as much as you can, and with as much honesty as you can muster. If/when it came down to it, could you really kill, without hesitation?

Having a gun for defense is a very serious thing, because it implies that we believe we are willing and able to kill another living being. Defensive shooters really have to be ruthlessly honest with ourselves about that.

If after thinking about it, you realize that maybe you aren't quite as hardened to the idea of killing, period, as you thought you were -- well, then, getting out in the woods to hunt might be one way you could overcome that. It certainly isn't the only way, but it could be one way.

pax
 
If you ever get a chance to read Ruark's "The Old Man and the Boy", please do so. I've been lucky in that most all the hunting folks I've ever gone with have been the sort described there. Even the moderators of this website! :D

Probably the best way to get a better feel about hunting is to go along with folks, particularly if it's any sort of several-day hunt camp thing. You don't have to even think about shooting. Just be there and learn a lot of the thises and thatses that go with the deal.

Taste of the meat? If the cook's worth a hoot, most wild game tastes a heckuva lot better than anything from a grocery store. The only way wild game tastes bad is if the cook should have sought a different line of work.

Art
 
if you are too squeamish to pull the trigger on a mere animal, it might be that if/when you need to pull the trigger on a living, breathing human being you could hesitate or completely freeze.
Good point... This is probably the only reason you might consider a single hunting trip even if you're not interested in hunting in the future. I don't mean to try to push you into something you don't want to do, but how you react in a stressful situation can teach you valuable lessons about yourself.

If you WANT to hunt, pick something like hog hunting. They're not cute critters, they taste good, and they're generally considered to be pests in most areas. So simply killing them borders on doing a good deed. ;)

You can also donate the meat to charity.

If you WANT to hunt but are afraid to, then I think you should get professional help. Going hunting for big game by yourself the first time out is not a good idea. Find a good hunting service in your area. They will (for a fee of course) deal with cleaning and dressing the hog, and also can arrange for what meat you don't want to be donated properly. They will also give you tips and hints on how to prepare for shooting in their area (likely distance you will shoot, what calibers and firearms are recommended). Tell them that you are a beginning hunter and they can outline the legal requirements as well.

The NRA sponsors women only hunts in some areas, as do some local hunting organizations. These hunts would probably be a good place to start looking.

For what it's worth, a good many (if not all) of your feelings are simply human feelings, not specifically female feelings.
 
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Ladysmith,

First of all I must say that I admire you for atleast considering hunting. It is a choice that one has to make and feel comfortable with. I would have to say that 99% of hunters hates to see any animal suffer. As hunters we also prevent suffering. We harvest animals early in the winter that could suffer later in the winter due to lack of food and harsh weather. Imagine how much suffering a deer does while it dies from starvation. I hunt because I enjoy the outdoors. Many times I have returned home without any meat. It was well worth the trip just to see other wildlife in the woods. If I didn't eat deer meat I wouldn't go deer hunting. There is alot of hardwork and dedication in deer hunting. Practice your shooting and try a hunt with a friend that hunts. You will never know how much you like it unless you try it. Good luck on your decision.
 
My wife don't hunt. I've taken my daughter to the deer blind, but she doesn't hunt. Both love to eat what I kill and prepare, though.:D

Hunting is up to you. All I ask is to be understood and allowed my own place in nature. Bare in mind that the game I hunt are prey animals whether I'm hunting them or a mountain lion, bobcat, coyote, or wolf is doing the hunting. It is the natural scheme of things, been going on for billions of years, since the precambrian times. Predator and prey animals change, but the relationships stay the same. Where once a pack of velociraptors stalked the plains and woodlots, now I proudly take their place. It's just the way nature works, the way nature has always worked. I suspect that if they find some planet in the future out in the galaxy somewhere where there are life forms, there will be the same predator/prey relationships that have always been on our planet from day one. It's a law of nature, of biology, not the exception. Every species has its place and we were put here as predators, it's what we do. Civilization seems to muddle this fact to many individuals, especially those who are raised far removed from reality in the concrete jungles that man has built. I do not believe it's a female/male difference in thinking. I know too many women who hunt, have killed to eat, wring chicken necks and pluck 'em for dinner while the ol' man is tending the farm, etc. Your outlook seems to reflect the Bambie urban culturalization rather than any gender differences, IMHO. I'm not criticizing you, just trying to understand your view of it all.

I'm fortunate enough to be old enough to remember family members now past who lived through the great depression. I remember an aunt that gave me her shotgun some 25 years ago. She's now passed away. She told me she shot many a squirrel for supper in the 30s with that shotgun, an old bolt action Stevens. When times were hard back then, you got your supper where you could. I guess it was a different time and a different ethos, but nobody questioned hunting back then, it was a way of life. If that way of life is forgotten, then I, myself, will be left behind, I guess. But, I will always be a hunter. In ways, it makes me feel part of nature, closer to nature. I cannot understand how anyone who sits around a Starbucks in Manhattan chatting with their PETA friends about the cruelty of hunting can even THINK they're in any way knowledgeable about the subject. I participate in nature, they only BS about it. Their "knowledge" is rooted in human emotion, which is skewed by human urban culture. My knowledge is from participating as a part of nature.

I was born to eat flesh. I was not born to take protein pills. I cannot see where my predatory behavior is anything but natural. I am no different from the bobcat or the wolf, only slightly more intelligent in the use of tools to replace the fangs that I don't have. My ancestors hunted with flint arrows and spears. I hunt with lead bullets, just a little difference in materials is all. I am part European, part native American (Cherokee), but 100 percent a child of nature. I proudly take my place in this world as an apex predator. I don't draw distinctions between eating a chicken at KFC that someone with a white suit on killed and a duck that I, myself, ambushed over my decoys and cleaned with my own hands. I happen to believe that the duck I shot is healthier for me, anyway, more natural. Processed foods remove the urbanite from responsibility. I revel in processing my own food. I don't consider myself a killer because I hunt. I consider myself a predator, which is a majestic title in my mind. I am the wolf and to me, that has almost religious significance.

All that might be a little too much "Ted Nugent", but then Teddy is a hero of mine. :D
 
The step from "Gathering" to "Hunting" has been somwhat of a gender gap for quite some time.

If one conciders ALL living things equally sacred, not just animals, the idea of killing and eating animals becomes the same as picking berrys.

One is not trully enlightened untill you can hear the wheat scream.
 
"If we can't shoot it .....we'll buy it!"

LadySmith:

Those aren't just female questions. Most folks will wonder about them before their first hunt, though it might help if you had more femal perspectives to weigh.

I don't know where you are from, but if you are near Texas, the Texas Divas are a helpful resource for the lady shooters and would-be shooters among us. They hold lady-only shooting clinics and hunts, among other events.

Even if you aren't near Texas, the Divas get all over the country to hold hunts & clinics. They have a calendar of events, if you are interested.

I wouldn't get too wound around the axel. You aren't the first to worry about them and they just show you take the hunting of game seriously.
 
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