FFL dealer tried to OTC to me!

[JohnBT]

Years ago I had an indoor range offer to let me walk off with a transferred Caspian frame without doing any paperwork. Well, an employee did, but I suggested he ask the boss. Boss = not happy.

Employee = "But it's not a gun!"

John

 

[Geno]

Know the law; follow the law. Hate the law...change it! Until then follow it.

Doc2005

 

[Hoppy590]

for some reason i didnt read the T in "OTC" so i read this thread as

"FFL dealer tried to OC me!"

i was expecting a tale of antics and shenanigans ending with some one getting maced...

this thread was just as good. you did well by covering your ass. did the shop not wonder why they were being shipped to him? and why he had to send an FFL copy to get them?

was it a company he normally dealt with so they already had his FFL?

 

[Jim K]

I know this is OT, but years ago when banks first started using computers, it was not always realized that the computer only "knew" what people told it.

In California, a man named Pacifico went into his bank to put $20 into his savings account. When he got the passbook back it showed a balance of $250,046.22. He told the teller the $46.22 was his but the rest was not. The teller told him they had a computer and computers didn't make mistakes. So he went to the held teller, and received the same answer.

He went home and wrote a letter to the bank about the discrepancy. He received a reply from a bank VP saying, "We have a computer and computers don't make mistakes. If you don't like the way we do business, take your money out and go elsewhere."

So he did.

Several days later, the Pacific Gas and Electric Co. asked what happened to their $250,000 deposit.

The bank took the man to court. The judge heard the evidence, read the bank's letter and ruled that the money belonged to Mr. Pacifico.

The judge further ordered the bank to pay all of its former customer's legal expenses plus compensate him for his time.

Once in a while the little guy who tries to be honest wins one.

Jim

 

[BADUNAME37]

I went to a pharmacy a couple years ago to pick up some prescriptions.

The pharmacist holds up a little bottle of Valium, without a label and tells me the "rest of your Valium are here."

I didn't know what he was talking about. I went through the drive through and took them all back to him.

I then called the main headquarters, told them the whole story and then asked if their pharmacists are taking medications out of the bottles and taking them at their own will.

I think the answer was something like "we certainly hope they aren't." To which I replied "well the guy SURE seemed like he was!"

I had also heard of a different banking story. A woman went to cash her check and the teller cashed it. The woman was walking away, counting her cash. The woman returned to the teller and stated "you seem to have maken a mistake when you cashed my check." The teller immediately scolded the woman for walking away BEFORE counting her money, and told the woman in no uncertain terms that "the money is just as it is, since you walked away BEFORE counting it, I cannot change anything now." Kind of perplexed the woman told the teller "that's OK, you gave me $40 too much," and proceeded to then leave! Perhaps we should sometimes THINK BEFORE SPEAKING!

 

[Bubba613]

As to the OP, find another dealer. Someone who doesn't know that a receiver is a firearm (and there is a space for it now on the new 4473) is likely to make even more mistakes that might cost you time and money.

If ATF audited and discovered they would probably confiscate them. They might give them back after you submitted to a background check.

A few years ago, a new FFL confided in me that he would be willing to sell me some stuff "off the books," from his "personal collection." I was standing at his store counter at the time. I advised him that I didn't think he had that option, and even if he did, it probably wasn't a very smart way to do business.

Well yeah, actually he does have that option. Whatever he did may or may not be relevant to the outcome of his business. It's an area that dealers really need to be careful about and I am sure some of them abuse it.

 

[DoctorJC]

Until my retirement this year (Jan6) I worked in a machine shop that made among other things, custom rifle parts. As soon as the receivers were milled to the point where they were recognizable, they were serial numbered and recorded in the trusy ol' bound book. at that point, no barrel, no trigger "FCG", no stock, it was still a "Firearm" and the owner recorded it on penalty of losing his FFL.

 

[Eightball]

Someone who doesn't know that a receiver is a firearm (and there is a space for it now on the new 4473) is likely to make even more mistakes that might cost you time and money.

This is the bit that confuses me. They just got new forms....did they not LOOK at them to see what was different? Did they look and not think "gee, maybe we should figure out what "frame/receiver" means on this form:?

You did the right thing. If something ever happens to that dealer, your stuff is probably safe, whilst the other ones could be tracked down, in the middle of the night, by F-troop and JBTs.

Plus, you have a clean conscience.

 

[2RCO]

I wouldn't want a dealer to lose their license over something I could stop. So I would have had them fill out the paperwork.

 

[2RCO]

I had also heard of a different banking story. A woman went to cash her check and the teller cashed it. The woman was walking away, counting her cash. The woman returned to the teller and stated "you seem to have maken a mistake when you cashed my check." The teller immediately scolded the woman for walking away BEFORE counting her money, and told the woman in no uncertain terms that "the money is just as it is, since you walked away BEFORE counting it, I cannot change anything now." Kind of perplexed the woman told the teller "that's OK, you gave me $40 too much," and proceeded to then leave! Perhaps we should sometimes THINK BEFORE SPEAKING!

I don't buy that one and as someone with several years in banking this is how that scenario plays out. ---Teller apologizes and asks what the problem was and lady says you gave me too much and gives it back. If lady keeps it she is technically stealing(however no one is calling the cops--funds are debited from her account). Either way teller's cash drawer is counted down and balanced to verify.

If teller acts as in the story you told--Manager or Head Teller becomes aware and Teller quite likely loses job for poor customer service and violation of policy.

 

[BADUNAME37]

That story was told to me by someone in the mid 1970's and the guy who told me - his mother knew the woman who got the extra money.

So, although I learned about it in the mid-1970's, I'm sure it was quite a bit before that that this actually occurred.

Don't believe me, I don't care. I know what was told to me and I believe the person more than I believe you.